If Old Spock went to San Francisco would he find Data's buried Head?
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Oh thats true! I forgot about that. Maybe if he goes back to visit the whales he will look for Data's head.
Oh thats true! I forgot about that. Maybe if he goes back to visit the whales he will look for Data's head.
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see this is where the whole temporal mechanics gets hazy because if the events leading up to the tng timeline have changed then the conditions for data may not be the same. who knows, he might be living in the colony where he was built and never got to the point where he went on the enterprise and went back in time to have his head be left there. vicious circle! who knows... >_<
if spock went to new mexico though he might find bender's head burried.
see this is where the whole temporal mechanics gets hazy because if the events leading up to the tng timeline have changed then the conditions for data may not be the same. who knows, he might be living in the colony where he was built and never got to the point where he went on the enterprise and went back in time to have his head be left there. vicious circle! who knows... >_<
if spock went to new mexico though he might find bender's head burried.
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Ah, but you see this is similar to the skynet paradox (if you want to call it that). Datas head means that the mission still occurred so the mission occurred for data's head to exist because datas head was in the past which gave rise to these events unfolding, therefore the presence of datas head and the mission are acausal.
see this is where the whole temporal mechanics gets hazy because if the events leading up to the tng timeline have changed then the conditions for data may not be the same. who knows, he might be living in the colony where he was built and never got to the point where he went on the enterprise and went back in time to have his head be left there. vicious circle! who knows... >_<
if spock went to new mexico though he might find bender's head burried.
Ah, but you see this is similar to the skynet paradox (if you want to call it that). Datas head means that the mission still occurred so the mission occurred for data's head to exist because datas head was in the past which gave rise to these events unfolding, therefore the presence of datas head and the mission are acausal.
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We need to remember that, in this instance, the writers are saying that time travel causes a split, not an overwrite. Two parallel universes branch off when something is changed, rather than changes simply messing up the natural flow of single universe's time. In one timeline things proceed as they did before, in the other the time travel takes effect. It may not be consistent with all instances of Trek time travel, but it is just as valid as far as depicting the nature of time.
I support this line of thinking. There is now a Data head in both time lines thanks to the time travel of Data Prime. His head didn't disappear after Nero because his timeline still existed, and in that timeline he was sent back to before the branching. The new timeline just won't necessarily include a recovery of Data's head by an Enterprise D led by Captain Picard with a new-timeline Data that got his head thrown back in time.
We need to remember that, in this instance, the writers are saying that time travel causes a split, not an overwrite. Two parallel universes branch off when something is changed, rather than changes simply messing up the natural flow of single universe's time. In one timeline things proceed as they did before, in the other the time travel takes effect. It may not be consistent with all instances of Trek time travel, but it is just as valid as far as depicting the nature of time.
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And two whales who were released in 1986 into "freedom" were taken into the 1.0 future.
Times like this, I just consult an expert.
And two whales who were released in 1986 into "freedom" were taken into the 1.0 future.
Times like this, I just consult an expert.
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Am I the only person who didnt like Times Arrow?
Am I the only person who didnt like Times Arrow?
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Hey I just had a brilliant Idea! Maybe in a novel or something if Spock ever needs Data's help for some emergency he can grab the head from the cave and stick it on the body of the Robot Cop that was chasing young Kirk. Since its a different time line the "real" Data wont be missing the head since he got it already in his time line. And who knows Data may not ever be built or serve on the Ent-D in this new timeline so he may not even lose his head.
Plus Data would get to ride the robot cops motorcycle with Spock in a sidecar! I sense a new TV series! Star Trek: The Adventures of Old Spock and Data's head! Two out of place 24th century starfleet officers on a mission to clean up the mean streets of San Francisco with nothing but a hoverbike and logic to defend them. I should be a writer lol
Hey I just had a brilliant Idea! Maybe in a novel or something if Spock ever needs Data's help for some emergency he can grab the head from the cave and stick it on the body of the Robot Cop that was chasing young Kirk. Since its a different time line the "real" Data wont be missing the head since he got it already in his time line. And who knows Data may not ever be built or serve on the Ent-D in this new timeline so he may not even lose his head.
Plus Data would get to ride the robot cops motorcycle with Spock in a sidecar! I sense a new TV series! Star Trek: The Adventures of Old Spock and Data's head! Two out of place 24th century starfleet officers on a mission to clean up the mean streets of San Francisco with nothing but a hoverbike and logic to defend them. I should be a writer lol
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Hey I just had a brilliant Idea! Maybe in a novel or something if Spock ever needs Data's help for some emergency he can grab the head from the cave and stick it on the body of the Robot Cop that was chasing young Kirk. Since its a different time line the "real" Data wont be missing the head since he got it already in his time line. And who knows Data may not ever be built or serve on the Ent-D in this new timeline so he may not even lose his head.
Plus Data would get to ride the robot cops motorcycle with Spock in a sidecar! I sense a new TV series! Star Trek: The Adventures of Old Spock and Data's head! Two out of place 24th century starfleet officers on a mission to clean up the mean streets of San Francisco with nothing but a hoverbike and logic to defend them. I should be a writer lol
Brannon Braga's on TrekBBS!
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The answer is yes and no. Nero created a new time line when he destroyed the Kelvin and Vulcan. Kirk has now taken command of the Enterprise with out first being assigned to the Farragut, another major change in the time line, Kirk would not have been obsessed with the cloud creature. The changes may even include the episode Court Martial. Lots of changes are going to separate this universe from the TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY universe. The cumulative changes that will happen to Kirk and crew will have drastic affects to that univers's TNG era. That would mean that there is a very good chance that Data does not exsist, Dr. Soong could have given up after Lore; if Data does exsist he, could have chosen a career outside of Starfleet and been a scientist like Dr. Soong wanted him to be; if Data does exsist and is in Starfleet, he may not have been assigned to the 1701D; if he does exsist and he is in Starfleet and he is assigned to the 1701D the 1701D could be busy with helping a Vulcan colony thus preventing them from being at Devidia II. Infinite possibilities.
The answer is yes and no. Nero created a new time line when he destroyed the Kelvin and Vulcan. Kirk has now taken command of the Enterprise with out first being assigned to the Farragut, another major change in the time line, Kirk would not have been obsessed with the cloud creature. The changes may even include the episode Court Martial. Lots of changes are going to separate this universe from the TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY universe. The cumulative changes that will happen to Kirk and crew will have drastic affects to that univers's TNG era. That would mean that there is a very good chance that Data does not exsist, Dr. Soong could have given up after Lore; if Data does exsist he, could have chosen a career outside of Starfleet and been a scientist like Dr. Soong wanted him to be; if Data does exsist and is in Starfleet, he may not have been assigned to the 1701D; if he does exsist and he is in Starfleet and he is assigned to the 1701D the 1701D could be busy with helping a Vulcan colony thus preventing them from being at Devidia II. Infinite possibilities.
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Who is to say there is even a data in the new timeline? What if Soong was working off tech that was created by the Vulcans? There is so much stuff that won't exist in this timeline. I mean, it's an entire planet! If the butterfly effect of the kelvin can have such a swooping change then think about millions of people.
Actually, if you think about it there may not even be an Enterprise D or at least the one we know of because the ships will have different timelines, different tech and probably different captains. And if a Picard ancestor feels depressed because a planet blew up and isn't in the mood one night there is no Pircard 100 years later. Lets face it, this is a major change in history.
Who is to say there is even a data in the new timeline? What if Soong was working off tech that was created by the Vulcans? There is so much stuff that won't exist in this timeline. I mean, it's an entire planet! If the butterfly effect of the kelvin can have such a swooping change then think about millions of people.
Actually, if you think about it there may not even be an Enterprise D or at least the one we know of because the ships will have different timelines, different tech and probably different captains. And if a Picard ancestor feels depressed because a planet blew up and isn't in the mood one night there is no Pircard 100 years later. Lets face it, this is a major change in history.
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We are all very pleased...
Hey I just had a brilliant Idea! Maybe in a novel or something if Spock ever needs Data's help for some emergency he can grab the head from the cave and stick it on the body of the Robot Cop that was chasing young Kirk. Since its a different time line the "real" Data wont be missing the head since he got it already in his time line. And who knows Data may not ever be built or serve on the Ent-D in this new timeline so he may not even lose his head.
Plus Data would get to ride the robot cops motorcycle with Spock in a sidecar! I sense a new TV series! Star Trek: The Adventures of Old Spock and Data's head! Two out of place 24th century starfleet officers on a mission to clean up the mean streets of San Francisco with nothing but a hoverbike and logic to defend them. I should be a writer lol
Brannon Braga's on TrekBBS!
We are all very pleased...
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