If Klingons show up in Abramsverse films would you want ridges or not?
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I agree. I am no canon fundamentalist and I understand that in the original series budgetary restraints prohibited making Klingons look the way they wanted them to. The movie and the other series took care of that problem.
I didn't need some contrived in universe explanation that Enterprise gave to why the TOS era Klingons were without ridges.
I agree. I am no canon fundamentalist and I understand that in the original series budgetary restraints prohibited making Klingons look the way they wanted them to. The movie and the other series took care of that problem.
I didn't need some contrived in universe explanation that Enterprise gave to why the TOS era Klingons were without ridges.
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This post confuses me. There were several alien looking aliens in the film. Where was there a Gorn?
This post confuses me. There were several alien looking aliens in the film. Where was there a Gorn?
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Ummm... I thought the aliens were far more alien looking than the usual Star Trek forehead crew.
Ummm... I thought the aliens were far more alien looking than the usual Star Trek forehead crew.
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I would vote for ridges because that's the way Roddenberry meant them to be. He just didn't have the fundage for latex make-up until The Motionless Picture...
I would vote for ridges because that's the way Roddenberry meant them to be. He just didn't have the fundage for latex make-up until The Motionless Picture...
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Even, before ENT showed the augment virus explanation, I easily accepted the fanon solution of there being multiple races within the empire. For a future Abrams-verse project, I would like to see the ridge-heads be the prominent ones, but maybe have them being secretly ordered around by a smooth head, or maybe even have a political officer-type character like in Hunt for Red October (the guy Ramius snaps the neck of before the defection) be portrayed by a smooth head.
You know, I don't quite get this either/or type of thinking; it's not a truly contradictory concept, it's two facets of the same idea. Instead of forcing them to choose, why not look to see what each idea can bring to the project in their own unique way?
Even, before ENT showed the augment virus explanation, I easily accepted the fanon solution of there being multiple races within the empire. For a future Abrams-verse project, I would like to see the ridge-heads be the prominent ones, but maybe have them being secretly ordered around by a smooth head, or maybe even have a political officer-type character like in Hunt for Red October (the guy Ramius snaps the neck of before the defection) be portrayed by a smooth head.
You know, I don't quite get this either/or type of thinking; it's not a truly contradictory concept, it's two facets of the same idea. Instead of forcing them to choose, why not look to see what each idea can bring to the project in their own unique way?
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One could assume, that the Klingons had access to the Narada over the 25 years that Nero was in their prision, chock full of 24th century data in it's computer core, as seen in the film. So, it's resonable to think that the Klingons may have found a cure, based on that info, for the virius depicted in Enterprise a few decades earlier than it was in the Prime Universe. Maybe the helmets were to disquise the fact that they are slowly changing back to their ridged glory. Hiding from a federation that they are reverting. Or perhaps the helmets are part of the healing proccess.
And mabye the Empire has been using the 24th century data to secretly update their own armadas and other tech, including genetic engineering. Maybe they're becoming faster, smarter, and feircer Klingons under those helmets, about to release a new Klingon Empire wrath on the 22rd century with 24th century genetic reverse engineering.
I wonder why they woudn't, although the Narada seemed to be intact when Nero and crew escapes. It's curious what may have become of the Narada all that time. But according the the deleted scenes, the Klingons didn't know Nero was from the future until it was too late (I think). But how could the Klingons not have tried to access the Narada, and use it for their own purpose somehow?
Still, I think there's a lot of room to explain why the Klingons could be a very different race in the new films based on their interaction with Nero and the Narada. Ridges and more !!
One could assume, that the Klingons had access to the Narada over the 25 years that Nero was in their prision, chock full of 24th century data in it's computer core, as seen in the film. So, it's resonable to think that the Klingons may have found a cure, based on that info, for the virius depicted in Enterprise a few decades earlier than it was in the Prime Universe. Maybe the helmets were to disquise the fact that they are slowly changing back to their ridged glory. Hiding from a federation that they are reverting. Or perhaps the helmets are part of the healing proccess.
And mabye the Empire has been using the 24th century data to secretly update their own armadas and other tech, including genetic engineering. Maybe they're becoming faster, smarter, and feircer Klingons under those helmets, about to release a new Klingon Empire wrath on the 22rd century with 24th century genetic reverse engineering.
I wonder why they woudn't, although the Narada seemed to be intact when Nero and crew escapes. It's curious what may have become of the Narada all that time. But according the the deleted scenes, the Klingons didn't know Nero was from the future until it was too late (I think). But how could the Klingons not have tried to access the Narada, and use it for their own purpose somehow?
Still, I think there's a lot of room to explain why the Klingons could be a very different race in the new films based on their interaction with Nero and the Narada. Ridges and more !!
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They could do something right in-between, as in Star Trek V, giving them both the ridges and movable eyebrows.
They could do something right in-between, as in Star Trek V, giving them both the ridges and movable eyebrows.
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Exactly. It's as simple as that.
Exactly. It's as simple as that.
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Roddenberry never "meant" for the Klingons to be anything in particular until after the fact. They were invented by Gene L. Coon and the original makeup was improvised from available materials - with no lead time at all, according to several accounts - by Fred Phillips.
One might reasonably wonder what, if anything, Gene Coon would have "meant" for the Klingons to look like, but it's a moot point. This late in the day, Roddenberry's retrospective "intentions" regarding the many aspects of Trek that he at most passed approval on is not a particularly strong argument in favor of any of them.
Roddenberry never "meant" for the Klingons to be anything in particular until after the fact. They were invented by Gene L. Coon and the original makeup was improvised from available materials - with no lead time at all, according to several accounts - by Fred Phillips.
One might reasonably wonder what, if anything, Gene Coon would have "meant" for the Klingons to look like, but it's a moot point. This late in the day, Roddenberry's retrospective "intentions" regarding the many aspects of Trek that he at most passed approval on is not a particularly strong argument in favor of any of them.
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Gene L. Coon invented the ridgeless honorless Klingons we saw in the original series. Roddenberry wanted to add the ridges to make them look more alien. Roddenberry would have overridden Coon on this, but due to budget concerns he left the Klingons as Coon designed them until 1979...
Gene L. Coon invented the ridgeless honorless Klingons we saw in the original series. Roddenberry wanted to add the ridges to make them look more alien. Roddenberry would have overridden Coon on this, but due to budget concerns he left the Klingons as Coon designed them until 1979...
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Kind of ironic that, thanks to Abrams, the only thing left of Trek canon is the one show that most of his supporters from this board constantly whined about.
Ridges or no ridges... given Abrams' penchant for making Trek into Star Wars we'll be lucky if he doesn't turn them into Wookies.
Kind of ironic that, thanks to Abrams, the only thing left of Trek canon is the one show that most of his supporters from this board constantly whined about.
Ridges or no ridges... given Abrams' penchant for making Trek into Star Wars we'll be lucky if he doesn't turn them into Wookies.
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IMO, here's how the Klingons should get introduced in the sequel: Kirk and Uhura (the resident xenolinguist and Klingon speaker, because to hell with that scene in UC --it's her job to be an omniglot) are about to infiltrate an alien planet occupied by Klingons. Their contact is a defector who has arranged to meet them in a tavern. (Basically what I'm imagining is the bar scene from Ingourious Basterds minus the part where everyon dies) While they're putting on their disguises Kirk asks Spock what they should be looking for when they get down there.
"Information on Klingons' physical appearance is... frustrating. Every new report contradicts the one before it. Some describe them as appearing almost human. Others... less so. "
Abram's and Co. should just lampshade the controversy this way before introducing their own take on what a Klingon should look like. I think it was a mistake for ENT to try and have it both ways. They should have just ignored Worf's line from DS9 and done their own thing. In my mind, changing the Klingon's make up is no different than what they were already doing with both the Andorians and Tellarites on ENT. You're just improving a special effect.
What if they introduced a Gorn with a fully articulated animatronic head covered in realistic scales? Would the writers be obligated to explain the creature's changed appearance from Arena? "You see Captain, some Gorn suffer from a disease that paralyses their facial muscles and alters the texture of their skin... so it looks kinda rubbery and immobile --like a mask!"
Not to get off topic but lets face it: stylistically XI was a reboot. They changed the Enterprise. Kirk isn't played by Shatner anymore. Sulu looks nothing like George Takei. But its still awesome. So I'm on board. They're going to have a lot of leeway with me, personally, in how the choose to portray Klingons.
Unless the storyline is dreadful. In which case I don't know what guys are talking about on this forum: there was nobody named Cybok that I recall in the TOS movies. In fact, there were only five TOS movies and Spock was an only child.
IMO, here's how the Klingons should get introduced in the sequel: Kirk and Uhura (the resident xenolinguist and Klingon speaker, because to hell with that scene in UC --it's her job to be an omniglot) are about to infiltrate an alien planet occupied by Klingons. Their contact is a defector who has arranged to meet them in a tavern. (Basically what I'm imagining is the bar scene from Ingourious Basterds minus the part where everyon dies) While they're putting on their disguises Kirk asks Spock what they should be looking for when they get down there.
"Information on Klingons' physical appearance is... frustrating. Every new report contradicts the one before it. Some describe them as appearing almost human. Others... less so. "
Abram's and Co. should just lampshade the controversy this way before introducing their own take on what a Klingon should look like. I think it was a mistake for ENT to try and have it both ways. They should have just ignored Worf's line from DS9 and done their own thing. In my mind, changing the Klingon's make up is no different than what they were already doing with both the Andorians and Tellarites on ENT. You're just improving a special effect.
What if they introduced a Gorn with a fully articulated animatronic head covered in realistic scales? Would the writers be obligated to explain the creature's changed appearance from Arena? "You see Captain, some Gorn suffer from a disease that paralyses their facial muscles and alters the texture of their skin... so it looks kinda rubbery and immobile --like a mask!"
Not to get off topic but lets face it: stylistically XI was a reboot. They changed the Enterprise. Kirk isn't played by Shatner anymore. Sulu looks nothing like George Takei. But its still awesome. So I'm on board. They're going to have a lot of leeway with me, personally, in how the choose to portray Klingons.
Unless the storyline is dreadful. In which case I don't know what guys are talking about on this forum: there was nobody named Cybok that I recall in the TOS movies. In fact, there were only five TOS movies and Spock was an only child.
Re: If Klingons show up in Abramsverse films would you want ridges or
"Ruffles have ridges..." and so should Klingons! TOS Klingons looked like any other humans with bushy eyebrows. Film era Klingons LOOKED like an alien humanoid race.
I liked JJ Abrams' idea of putting the Klingons in full helmets for the first movie. It was a smart way to dodge the bullet by creating a little mystery. Now he is free to create his own version of Klingon aliens.
"Ruffles have ridges..." and so should Klingons! TOS Klingons looked like any other humans with bushy eyebrows. Film era Klingons LOOKED like an alien humanoid race.
I liked JJ Abrams' idea of putting the Klingons in full helmets for the first movie. It was a smart way to dodge the bullet by creating a little mystery. Now he is free to create his own version of Klingon aliens.
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I agree there should be a mix and I like the idea of having the ridgeless wear helmets or something to simulate ridges.
I agree there should be a mix and I like the idea of having the ridgeless wear helmets or something to simulate ridges.
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Wasn't there Klingons in Rura Penthe the Klingon stronghold in Star Trek just wondering
Wasn't there Klingons in Rura Penthe the Klingon stronghold in Star Trek just wondering
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