"If I've told you once I've told you a thousand times DON'T PROVOKE

[The Lonely Man]

YES! I love all the Borg episodes. I'm in the group that does not think they were overdone or weakened. And I also really enjoyed the Borg kids, especially Mezoti.

I get why some think they were weakened but I honestly can't see any other way for the show to go.
Given Voyager was stranded in the Delta Quadrant, the home of the Borg, and the Borg controlled vast amounts of space then it is absolutely inevitable they would run into each other on a few occasions.
Would have made one hell of a boring story, not to mention show Janeway up as a poor captain, if Voyager didn't find some way to counter them.

 

[TheGoodStuff]

I've always maintained that I think the Q are masters of bravado and, while ridiculously powerful, I think they aren't as omnipotent as they claim to be.

In regards to the line "Don't provoke the Borg" I always interpreted it as quite a logical warning to his son. The borg aren't like every other race: they are rather like a dog with a bone, once they get their teeth into something [or, once they become aware of something] they can become incredibly difficult to discourage [We know a single cube is sent to Earth, for example, because of Q]. They are tenacious in the extreme. If the Borg are provoked by the continuum, they will likely state "we will adapt" and do what they can to do so...whether or not they ever manage it is a different matter, you simply don't want them to even start trying. Look at the conflict with Species 8472. Just because the Borg have no chance today, doesn't mean they will have no chance tomorrow.

It's exacerbated because Q can't just 'delete' the Borg either [I get the vibe that there IS some kind of code in the Continuum despite what some users here think: there does seem to be a general dislike of excessive meddling] as they are one of the biggest players in the galaxy [and who knows what that means in the 25th century and beyond].

So, in short, I think Q is simply warning his son that of all the races to annoy, the Borg really shouldn't be the one you choose as they are quite dangerous and if they were to focus on the Continuum, that could spell disaster for lesser races who get in the way and, potentially, could even be bad for the Continuum itself if the Borg ever dreamt up a way of harming them.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

A battle between the Q and Borg would be kind of neat actually.

As for the Borg one cube to Earth when they have whole fleets? They had a fleet at Wolf 359 why send one single cube to Earth?

 

[Sophie74656]

A battle between the Q and Borg would be kind of neat actually.

As for the Borg one cube to Earth when they have whole fleets? They had a fleet at Wolf 359 why send one single cube to Earth?

They didn't have a fleet, they had one cube (I think). One cube took everything Starfleet had to beat it. The Borg know that. If they wanted to wipe out the Federation they could do it with minimal effort and loss on their part. Since they have assimilated Federation officers, including Picard, they know what they need to know about the Federation. They know the technology and weaponry that they have, and they know that the Federation is not a threat so they don't need to wipe them out. But if the Borg really wanted to they would, they would need at the most probably 4 cubes and the Federation would be toast.

 

[The Lonely Man]

They didn't have a fleet, they had one cube (I think). One cube took everything Starfleet had to beat it. The Borg know that. If they wanted to wipe out the Federation they could do it with minimal effort and loss on their part. Since they have assimilated Federation officers, including Picard, they know what they need to know about the Federation. They know the technology and weaponry that they have, and they know that the Federation is not a threat so they don't need to wipe them out. But if the Borg really wanted to they would, they would need at the most probably 4 cubes and the Federation would be toast.

I posted this in the WTF thread but during Dark Frontier the Borg Queen was speaking about how they failed to assimilate humanity on their first attempt and would fail again unless they got Sevens help.

Huh ?

She was in a Borg system of space that contained "Thousands of cubes and Trillions of Drones"
Fire those through a transwarp conduit and humanity is done for.

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

Do you know what could have been interesting about the Borgs? It would have been 1) to find out that the Borg Queen was Seven's mother and 2) as an ironic reversal of the situation and revenge from Borgs, to see the Admiral Kathryn Janeway of the future, becoming their new Queen at the end of Endgame, with the possibility of an imminent attack of Alpha Quadrant with all induced consequences for the Janeway of the present time (present Janeway (don't provoke Borgs, they will make you life hell ), for the Federation and for all species of the Quadrant ... you know, like the good cop who fights all her life the criminals to become at the end one herself!

Imagine Q and QJ r's reaction to see the woman for whom he has a crush for awhile, splitting in a good Janeway (the one who managed to bring back her crew safe and sound on Earth) in the present time AND a bad Janeway, from the future, as the new Borg Queen -> don't provoke Borgs, they will give you quite a headachel! )

 

[Sophie74656]

That could be interesting. Or also if Seven became the Queen and Janeway had to fight her.

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

That could be interesting. Or also if Seven became the Queen and Janeway had to fight her.

You're absolutely right, Sophie74656! It would have been interesting to follow their duel remotely, with an equivalent balance of power: both have a brilliant mind/powerful presence which make them strong leaders and with an armada of Borg Cubes for Seven and, a heavily armed fleet armada for Janeway ready to take orders, it could be epic .... AND as bonus, we would get rid of Chakotay, who would have been killed or ... assimilated, what was one of his biggest fears! That is what it is to tempt fate, Chukkles!

In the same time, I can't imagine (and would never support the idea of) seeing Janeway and Seven kill each other in a direct confrontation or let some henchmen doing it for them, because their emotional attachment is too deep: it's the love between a (surrogate) mother and her (surrogate) child... even if in Endgame, there is relatively not much contact between Seven and the Capitain of Voyager.
It would be too sad to end a wonderful relationship like that ... unless Janeway and The Doctor manage to break AGAIN, the link with the Collective and help her to regain her life... What was made once, ....
-> Seriously, why our ideas of scripts seem better than those which were offered to us during the time of Voyager, in particular at the end of the 7th season?!

 

[Logicpuzzle]

You're absolutely right, Sophie74656! It would have been interesting to follow their duel remotely, with an equivalent balance of power: both have a brilliant mind/powerful presence which make them strong leaders and with an armada of Borg Cubes for Seven and, a heavily armed fleet armada for Janeway ready to take orders, it could be epic .... AND as bonus, we would get rid of Chakotay, who would have been killed or ... assimilated, what was one of his biggest fears! That is what it is to tempt fate, Chukkles!

In the same time, I can't imagine (and would never support the idea of) seeing Janeway and Seven kill each other in a direct confrontation or let some henchmen doing it for them, because their emotional attachment is too deep: it's the love between a (surrogate) mother and her (surrogate) child... even if in Endgame, there is relatively not much contact between Seven and the Capitain of Voyager.
It would be too sad to end a wonderful relationship like that ... unless Janeway and The Doctor manage to break AGAIN, the link with the Collective and help her to regain her life... What was made once, ....
-> Seriously, why our ideas of scripts seem better than those which were offered to us during the time of Voyager, in particular at the end of the 7th season?!

Because they are bigger risks for the studios

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Do you know what could have been interesting about the Borgs? It would have been 1) to find out that the Borg Queen was Seven's mother and 2) as an ironic reversal of the situation and revenge from Borgs, to see the Admiral Kathryn Janeway of the future, becoming their new Queen at the end of Endgame, with the possibility of an imminent attack of Alpha Quadrant with all induced consequences for the Janeway of the present time (present Janeway (don't provoke Borgs, they will make you life hell ), for the Federation and for all species of the Quadrant ... you know, like the good cop who fights all her life the criminals to become at the end one herself!

Imagine Q and QJ r's reaction to see the woman for whom he has a crush for awhile, splitting in a good Janeway (the one who managed to bring back her crew safe and sound on Earth) in the present time AND a bad Janeway, from the future, as the new Borg Queen -> don't provoke Borgs, they will give you quite a headachel! )

That is far too creative for Star Trek writers.... I wish this all had been done now. I really do.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I think it's simply a matter of it not taking more than a single Borg being somehow diverted and encountering a new and interesting species to potentially bring the entire collective down on them. As the Q are masters of time and space, one of them messing with the Borg thus has the potential to completely reshape history.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

If Borg can time travel relatively easily could they dimension hop? Maybe that's what the Q wouldn't want

 

[The Lonely Man]

Are the Borg aware of The Q ?

I'd guess the fact they have assimilated Starfleet Captains means they have to be, yet I don't recall them ever mentioning it.
Given how much importance The Borg placed on finding and assimilating the Omega particle I'd have thought The Q would have been held in a similar regard.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Are the Borg aware of The Q ?

I'd guess the fact they have assimilated Starfleet Captains means they have to be, yet I don't recall them ever mentioning it.
Given how much importance The Borg placed on finding and assimilating the Omega particle I'd have thought The Q would have been held in a similar regard.

That whole business with the Omega Particle I don't get. Seems every race knows about it if aliens in the Delta Quadrant know of it, or even the Borg for that matter. Is it some universal constant?

 

[Swarm Emperor]

If the Borg managed to assimilate a Q, at the very least, it would probably mean a calamitous inter-dimensional war that would lead to unparalleled destruction, or the end of all things. Also, as was said earlier, if the Borg interacted with the Q, they could adapt to the Q, possibly making them nearly indestructible.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

If the Borg managed to assimilate a Q, at the very least, it would probably mean a calamitous inter-dimensional war that would lead to unparalleled destruction, or the end of all things. Also, as was said earlier, if the Borg interacted with the Q, they could adapt to the Q, possibly making them nearly indestructible.

Making The Borg Great Again.

Well the Borg of "Q Who" I found more menacing then the Borg of Best Of Both Worlds.

Not speaking and only showing them in part made them more scary I think.

 

[jmidnight_99]

Re: "If I've told you once I've told you a thousand times DON'T PROVOK

Quinn said that the Q weren't really all-knowing or all-powerful.
It's possible that the Q have a real fear of the Borg.

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This doesn't make sense. The Q can do anything just by making it so, there would be no need for them to fear any living thing. The warning was done for comedic effect, but if taken as a serious warning, my take on it would be that stirring up the Borg would lead to making them even more aggressive to other races. The Q said humans would equal or surpass them... but obviously not if they were destroyed.

 

[publiusr]

I wonder if the device we saw used against the Ori in one of the Stargate series would slow down some of Trek's mental beings...

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I wonder if the device we saw used against the Ori in one of the Stargate series would slow down some of Trek's mental beings...

What device? Do you mean the Ark Of Truth?

 

[A Chimpanzee & 2 Trainees]

I wish we had found out about why the Q code of conduct existed and how it came about. While it's obvious the continuum is against major changes, did that come about because they dislike the idea of meddling to begin with, or do they want to protect your his particular timeline for some reason?

It could be that the Q can't delete the Borg because they have a major role to play in how either the past or the future is to play out... that they aren't against the idea of deleting them as much as the effect.

Have any true threats to the continuum been deleted, so that the races that do exist either aren't a threat or too important to the timeline to delete?