Discussion in 'TV & Media' started by Foxhot, Aug 30, 2019.
I think he had that stick on Blue Thunder as well?
OK, 23rd century. But I'm not seeing Sikking listed on Blue Thunder. Doogie Howser maybe?
He didn't turn her down, they dated for a while and he even offered to convert to Judaism. She realized she didn't share many interests with him and dumped him for a doctor.
It wasn't that Howard was wrong about everything, he was educated and very knowledgeable on some subjects. It was his specific ignorance and blind spots that made him good for satire. They also showed that he was really a lonely guy, which made him sympathetic to the audience.
Once in a while Hunter would do right.
I dislike both options. Bad enough they killed the original Steve McGarrett. Leave Sipowicz be.
Six plots every week, pretty much, three times the usual for 1981. ST. ELSEWHERE was a blatant thematic ripoff, but a well-written one.
I can hear the pitch now: “Its like Hill Street Blues, but in a hospital..”
It was still a great show, despite the bizarre ending. It also had that very weird season three crossover scene with Cheers, talk about trying to mix oil and water:
Well, HSB was pitched as "a one-hour Barney Miller"!
What I remember most about HSB(one of my all time faves) was the good humored nature of the show.Amongst all the tough situations that the blues found themselves they were nearly always portrayed as being dedicated and well meaning.The point of Howard Hunter I think was to make the viewer realize just how appallingly stupid his prejudices were.
Given the darkness and almost crushing bleakness currently in vogue in cop shows I don’t think HSB would fly today.
As for a recasting ..how about Bryan Cranston as the captain?
I got the same feeling when one-hour dramatic spinoffs were sprung from M*A*S*H and MARY TYLER MOORE.
That could work, if Cranston doesn't mind being the head cog in a bucket ensemble box.
Since I'm a huge Sikking fan, I'll ask: who could be (an almost as good) Hunter today? Don't say Fred Dryer.
Lou Grant was a great show. It was kind of a proto version of HSB and St. Elsewhere. It blended in the humor and the personal issues along with "from today's headlines" stuff. Multi-episode plots and the in-episode story hopping, no, but it was a real step forward for 1977.
I like to use the term “Lou Grant Ending” when a TV episode doesn’t end with everything tied up in a bow and the good guys winning.
You raise a great point, that show did have a frequent "ambiguousness of outcomes" that really stood out in the network TV of the day.
"Despite," nothing. I wasn't a regular St. Elsewhere viewer (medical dramas have never been my bag), but that ending was genius.
Totally agreed. I was a hardcore Lou Grant devotee.
It was criminal how little they used Denzel.
He had some good storylines, but they also gave him a lot of time off to make movies (A Soldier's Story, Cry Freedom, Glory).
Hill Street Blues and St Elsewhere - we would chant the theme music at school , the good old days of telly!
Yeah, I regret the loss of opening credit sequences in modern TV series. For older shows, the theme music and accompanying imagery (plus narration or even dialogue, in some cases) evoke memories like nothing else can. The opening titles are the first thing you think of when you think of a classic show.
^ It was a great time for TV themes, for sure. "Hill Street Blues" and "Taxi" are probably neck-and-neck for my favorite of all time. Both have a thoughtful, slightly melancholy quality to them.
I just happened to flip through an AM station in the car the other day and heard the full 3-minute single version of the "Rockford Files" theme. Wow it sounded good, even on AM! Made my day.
But-but-but there were at least 11 other regulars during the show's run. Not having him in the final episode was slightly criminal. He gave up his career. His last words: ''I'm free.'' (Roughly the same time he received his first Oscar nomination.)
When HILL STREET ended, I took it well. The last episode made it seem like a typical day/episode, except for Dennis Franz getting canned.
But-but-but when ST. ELSEWHERE ended, man, I was in months-long withdrawal episodes. And brilliant or not, that last scene annoyed me. Everything I watched the last six years was a lie!!!!
Things could still have happened at the "real" St. Eligius mostly like they did on the show. Characters like Drs. Auschlander and Westphall would have to be different of course, but the rest of it could be the same. I mean, it's not like Tommy was in every episode of the show, was he? So how could he dream about scenes he's not in?
srsly, perhaps the Tommy from the ending had visited St. Eligius at some point, they were nice to him, so he decides to base his dream world on it. And it would explain how characters from the show could pop up on other series (the "Tommy Westphall Universe"), since there's no way Tommy could have actually dreamed all of those other shows as well.
Or maybe it's just the final scene itself that was the dream.
But don't take MY word for it...
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