Thats becuase New Vulcan first showed up in the video game, and Spock Prime already had a planet in mind for them to live on as far back as the end of Star Trek (2009).
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Thats becuase New Vulcan first showed up in the video game, and Spock Prime already had a planet in mind for them to live on as far back as the end of Star Trek (2009).
We've all seen Wrath of Khan right?
Putting a Colony on Ceti Alpha 5 is a stupid idea.
Did I read it wrong, or after they talked him down, did Spock think "#### you, if you're not going to listen to me about unexpected exploding planets, you can suck it die off like morons." And NOT stop the Vulcans form building a colony on Ceti Alpha 5?
That's some cold #### Spock.
Putting a Colony on Ceti Alpha 5 is a stupid idea.
Did I read it wrong, or after they talked him down, did Spock think "#### you, if you're not going to listen to me about unexpected exploding planets, you can suck it die off like morons." And NOT stop the Vulcans form building a colony on Ceti Alpha 5?
That's some cold #### Spock.
Certainly no one (except the Vulcans) could blame him for feeling that way. Quinto-Spock might feel that way in Nimoy-Spock's place. But knowing him, he'll instead seek a way to prove, beyond even the Elders' ability to dispute, the danger of Ceti Alpha V via some outside assistance. "Not Vulcan" indeed. He'll save them the way he's saved so many others: By being more Vulcan than the Vulcans.
Enter the Romulans, pretending remorse for Nero's actions and claiming to want to redeem themselves in the eyes of their Vulcan brothers...
Enter the Romulans, pretending remorse for Nero's actions and claiming to want to redeem themselves in the eyes of their Vulcan brothers...
I dunno. After Ceti Alpha VI exploded, it turned Ceti Alpha V into an inhospitable desert.
The Vulcans would feel right at home!
Read the newest issue, pretty good. Though there is a very liberal use of ship designs for a certain species
The fleet of ships around Romulus has Negh'Vars and Klingon BOPs. I think there is a Star Trek Online ship design in there, though it is romulan. Pardek's son was playing with a STO Romulan ship as well
It may tie in to what Spock says about the nuTrek timeline in this issue:
"The more time I spend in this new timeline, the more I notice differences that go beyond those caused by Nero's arrival.
Locations I have visited before, like this one [Deep Space Station K-7], appear similar in most respects. But there are small changes that I suppose are inevitable given the nature of infinite realities."
Locations I have visited before, like this one [Deep Space Station K-7], appear similar in most respects. But there are small changes that I suppose are inevitable given the nature of infinite realities."
Spock seems to be realizing that Nero's arrival isn't the branching point for a new alternate timeline; that maybe it branched off further in the past than he originally thought.
He goes on to say:
"I remember the structure of this station, but the decor has changed.
I recognize species [he sees an Andorian and a Tellarite], but not the clothes they wear."
I recognize species [he sees an Andorian and a Tellarite], but not the clothes they wear."
This observation could easily extend to ship designs and the toys based on those ships.
I suppose that makes sense; any changes that had occurred in the Prime timeline that had their origin in a point after Nero's arrival I would imagine would've themselves changed or been negated as a result of Nero's change, which could've thus resulted in secondary effects much farther back than the mid-23rd century. That is, the branch is still Nero's arrival, but that doesn't mean that everything prior to Nero's arrival still happened as it did in the Prime timeline.
The writer of the comics does seem to be fond of the "infinite realities" idea, but it's important to remember that the comics have never been as closely tied to the moviemakers' creative process and intentions as they've been implied to be, and that they are no more canonical than any other Trek tie-in. Their interpretation of the way the timeline works is their own.
it's mind blowing but to me, we judge the concept of 'time' and 'space' under our own human rules and limits, but the perspective of the whole universe, so to speak, is very different and far more complex and there is not such a thing as a definite past, present and future because everything, in a way, exists and 'happens' simultaneously. Therefore, it doesn't matter if from our perspective (that is not wrong, but it's only one of the many) it was Nero's intrusion that created this reality (=the moment it became different it became parallel to the other), this is a parallel reality and there might be differences that go beyond the point of his intrusion. For this reason, I'm not too stuck with the logic that we must see different things only at the point of time after Nero, for me this is another reality point period and as such there might be differences.
It's also wrong, in a sense, to think about tos being 'default' and Nero changing how things were supposed to be. From a wider and more generic perspective, there are infinite realities and tos only was one of them and you could even say that the lack of intrusion by Nero in the other had modified/changed that reality too by, essentially, not making it like this one.
It's also wrong, in a sense, to think about tos being 'default' and Nero changing how things were supposed to be. From a wider and more generic perspective, there are infinite realities and tos only was one of them and you could even say that the lack of intrusion by Nero in the other had modified/changed that reality too by, essentially, not making it like this one.
I don't understand what you mean; that would only make sense to say if there wasn't a causative connection between the timeline where Nero's from and the one where he went back in time. Even if effect doesn't strictly follow cause in a chronological sense, if you're taking a wide view like this it doesn't make any sense to say that the effect was the reason for the cause. Can you flesh out what exactly you mean by that a little more, am I just misunderstanding?
What I mean is that the perspective of what reality is changed and 'different' is relative because it's based on the, wrong, logic that one reality (yours) is the default .
If, say, you are in the alternate reality (not like Spock prime) you will think that it's the other reality that went differently, not yours.
If, say, you are in the alternate reality (not like Spock prime) you will think that it's the other reality that went differently, not yours.
Yeah, but "different" isn't the same thing as "changed". If you're looking at an old picture of your house when it had different owners and was a different color, you couldn't accurately say that they changed the color from yours.
I can agree that people in the Nutrek reality could say that the Prime timeline was different from theirs rather than they being different from the Prime timeline, and they would definitely think of their timeline as the correct one, but I don't think it would be accurate to say that the Prime timeline was an alteration of the Nutrek timeline even given relative perspective. It's nothing to do with what the "default" timeline is, it's just the fact that there's a causative connection from the Prime timeline to the Nutrek timeline.
I can agree that people in the Nutrek reality could say that the Prime timeline was different from theirs rather than they being different from the Prime timeline, and they would definitely think of their timeline as the correct one, but I don't think it would be accurate to say that the Prime timeline was an alteration of the Nutrek timeline even given relative perspective. It's nothing to do with what the "default" timeline is, it's just the fact that there's a causative connection from the Prime timeline to the Nutrek timeline.
A guy I follow over on Deviant Art, who was originally a modder for Bridge Commander, has had renders of his Kelvin model traced over for use in Issues 55 and 56. Really it just looks like they took a photoshop filter to them and added a different registry.
Not the first time it has happened, a couple of his renders were also "traced" over in the 'Hive' comic series 2 years back.
He also had a render used on an eBook cover (they thought it was official work), but when the publishers found out they compensated him.
Not the first time it has happened, a couple of his renders were also "traced" over in the 'Hive' comic series 2 years back.
He also had a render used on an eBook cover (they thought it was official work), but when the publishers found out they compensated him.
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I thought it was pretty decent for fans of both franchises.
Even the 'Prime Universe' isn't the original Prime universe. There have been multiple time travel stories and the audience follows the characters, not the timeline. If you think about many worlds theory too hard it removes all sense of achievement. We just happen to be watching the universe where every ludicrous thing Kirk does works out, no matter how dumb. Kirk from Earth 616 is as dead as a doorpost. He got a broken neck when he picked a fight with a security cadet in a bar. Better than 617 - he drove his uncle's car off a cliff. Dumb ass.
That's not really what the Many Worlds Theory means. It doesn't mean that every possible choice and every possible combination of events happens, it means that any possible quantum event can resolve into any of it's resulting outcomes. For something at the quantum level to have enough contingent results to the degree that it would actually change something like a decision that someone made, the change would have to have happened so far in the past and would have to have changed so many other things, there's not really any sense in which you can say it's the same person anyway. There is no way, even with Many Worlds Theory, that a branch point could actually impact something within just a few moments after the branch point in the way you're describing. You're confusing the microscopic and the macroscopic levels.
In reality, yes. Since it's a quantum-level branching, it really only affects outcomes that are determined at a quantum level. Classical processes like human thought and decision and the behavior of macroscopic objects would very rarely be affected by quantum-level dualities. This is why Schroedinger had to concoct a convoluted hypothetical scenario (a cat in a box with a poison gas cartridge triggered by the decay of a radioactive atom) to create a situation where a macroscopic outcome (the cat lives or dies) would be dictated by a quantum event. Most of the time, that doesn't happen. The Many-Worlds branching of universes would mainly affect subatomic particle states and would only infrequently have any noticeable large-scale impact. Maybe over the long term, it could affect things like evolutionary processes, due to whether or not certain atoms in DNA molecules changed state and led to certain mutations, say. And I suspect that it's something that might happen more often now that society depends so heavily on technologies using quantum processes (diodes, transistors, etc.), and particularly in the future once we start using quantum computers to assist our decisions.
But fiction is about people rather than particles, so the fictional take on branching timelines does base it more on personal decisions. So if we're talking about the way things play out in stories, then Pauln6's argument does have merit. It's basically the "Niven Principle" that Peter David alluded to in TNG: Q Squared, a reference to Larry Niven's short story "All the Myriad Ways," in which the discovery of infinite parallel worlds led to societal collapse and mass suicides because people realized that none of their choices mattered.
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