IDW revisiting Mirror Universe

[Nyotarules]

It takes place in the "Prime" MU, it's just following some of the last members of the Empire that are still around.

In the Prime MU humans seemed less bloodthirsty, even Miles O'Brien was respected for being a decent man. Plus there was no Terran Empire, not even in the Sol system and there was no Imperial fleet either. The specs for the Mirror Defiant came from the Prime world. In the comicverse Picard MU, Miles would be slaughtered.

 

[Nyotarules]

IIRC, the Andorians are afforded some measure of respect in the Empire (because of their warrior skill) but telepaths of any species are feared and exterminated whenever possible. In fact I believe the Betazoids were almost completely wiped out for this exact reason.

Unless the Betazoids were extreme pacifists. How you not going to defend yourself when you know someone wants to destroy you because you can read their thoughts? The Prime Betazed used telepathy to defeat the Jem Hader, I bet the Mirror versions would have done the same.
As much fun as the MU is in storytelling, the idea of humans being top dog in the universe is a reflection of the writers ego based Eurocentric attitudes.

 

[JD]

In the Prime MU humans seemed less bloodthirsty, even Miles O'Brien was respected for being a decent man. Plus there was no Terran Empire, not even in the Sol system and there was no Imperial fleet either. The specs for the Mirror Defiant came from the Prime world. In the comicverse Picard MU, Miles would be slaughtered.

I haven't read it, but I believe this was supposed to be following some of the last members of the Empire. I've seen several places, including an interview with the artist, which specifially said that this takes place in the same version of the MU we saw in DS9.

 

[Christopher]

As must fun as the MU is in storytelling, the idea of humans being top dog in the universe is a reflection of the writers ego based Eurocentric attitudes.

No, it was a reflection of the need to use the regular cast in every episode. If they were going to go into a parallel universe, it needed to feature the same people who were the main characters in the regular universe, because hiring a bunch of new actors would cost more. Also, the whole appeal of "parallel universe" stories is to give the actors a chance to play variations on their characters.

Besides, when "Mirror, Mirror" was written, no other Federation member species had really been established yet besides Vulcans. And if anything, MM implies that Vulcans are more prominent in the Empire than in the Federation, since there are several Vulcans aboard the ISS Enterprise (well, Spock and his Vulcan bodyguards, at least), and Sulu is intimidated by Spock's warning that some of the people who'd avenge his death are Vulcans.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Unless the Betazoids were extreme pacifists how you not going to defend yourself when you know someone wants to destroy you because you can read their thoughts? The Prime Betazed used telepathy to defeat the Jem Hader, I bet the Mirror versions would have done the same.

The Vulcans probably employed their own telepathic abilities to seek out and destroy any rival telepaths (such as the Betazoids) who could have possibly posed a threat to the Empire.

 

[Nyotarules]

I haven't read it, but I believe this was supposed to be following some of the last members of the Empire. I've seen several places, including an interview with the artist, which specifially said that this takes place in the same version of the MU we saw in DS9.

Then the writer needs to watch DS9...again.

 

[Nyotarules]

No, it was a reflection of the need to use the regular cast in every episode. If they were going to go into a parallel universe, it needed to feature the same people who were the main characters in the regular universe, because hiring a bunch of new actors would cost more. Also, the whole appeal of "parallel universe" stories is to give the actors a chance to play variations on their characters.

Besides, when "Mirror, Mirror" was written, no other Federation member species had really been established yet besides Vulcans. And if anything, MM implies that Vulcans are more prominent in the Empire than in the Federation, since there are several Vulcans aboard the ISS Enterprise (well, Spock and his Vulcan bodyguards, at least), and Sulu is intimidated by Spock's warning that some of the people who'd avenge his death are Vulcans.

Then a MM episode where the crew were serving under a Vulcan empire would make more sense and be a better twist for the viewers and the crew.
The opening scene of the ENT MM episode would have Solkar beaming down and shooting Cochran on the spot lol

 

[JD]

Then the writer needs to watch DS9...again.

How specific of timeline did they set up? I thought most of it was rather vague, when it came to exactly when things happened.

 

[The Wormhole]

How specific of timeline did they set up? I thought most of it was rather vague, when it came to exactly when things happened.

It is very vague. This history of the Mirror Universe in between Mirror, Mirror and Crossover is summarized very briefly in Crossover:

INTENDANT: You didn't seem to recognise the Alliance.
KIRA: No.
INTENDANT: Perhaps you'd recognise the name Kirk.
KIRA: I'm sorry, I don't.
INTENDANT: Interesting. On my side, Kirk is one the most famous names in our history. Almost a century ago, a Terran starship Captain named James Kirk accidentally exchanged places with his counterpart from your side due to a transporter accident. Our Terrans were barbarians then, but their Empire was strong. While your Kirk was on this side, he met a Vulcan named Spock and somehow had a profound influence on him. Afterwards, Spock rose to Commander in Chief of the Empire by preaching reforms, disarmament, peace. It was quite a remarkable turnabout for his people. Unfortunately for them, when Spock had completed all these reforms, his empire was no longer in any position to defend itself against us.
KIRA: Us?
INTENDANT: The Alliance. The historic coming together of the Klingons and the Cardassians.
KIRA: And Bajor is part of this Alliance?
INTENDANT: We'd been under Terran occupation for decades. When we were freed, we petitioned for entry and were accepted. We have become quite an influential power within the Alliance. Is it similar at all on your side?
KIRA: No. My Bajor is not so fortunate.

 

[Tuskin38]

Then the writer needs to watch DS9...again.

These are the last of the empire, the only system they have left is Sol. For the rest of the humans in the galaxy they probably think the Empire is dead and gone.

 

[JD]

Do they give an indication where it takes place in relation to the DS9 episodes?

 

[Nyotarules]

Do they give an indication where it takes place in relation to the DS9 episodes?

Not yet

 

[Nyotarules]

These are the last of the empire, the only system they have left is Sol. For the rest of the humans in the galaxy they probably think the Empire is dead and gone.

Because subspace communications are cut off between Bajor and Earth? Picard is totally clueless there is a human slave camp in the alpha quadrant called Terok Nor? That's a weak plot point.
Its more likely the Mirror universe for the Kelvin verse, why the writers won't admit it I don't know. Saying its the Prime Mirror universe does not add up.

 

[BillJ]

Saying its the Prime Mirror universe does not add up.

Who really cares? It has been a decent story thus far. I'd personally rather have a decent story than try to fit in with the God-awful DS9 version of the MU.

 

[Nyotarules]

Who really cares? It has been a decent story thus far. I'd personally rather have a decent story than try to fit in with the God-awful DS9 version of the MU.

Who really cares? An ironic question from someone who spends time like myself nit picking Star Trek issues that the rest of the world don't give a shit about LOL

I like the mirror story comics but the writers saying its the DS9 one well, thats a lot of crock, if they had any sense they would gladly distance themselves from that mess.

 

[BillJ]

Who really cares? An ironic question from someone who spends time like myself nit picking Star Trek topics that the rest of the world don't give a shit about LOL

Canon is just something I quit caring about. I'm going to choose an entertaining story over canon every single time.

 

[Nyotarules]

Canon is just something I quit caring about. I'm going to choose an entertaining story over canon every single time.

Which is what the comic writers should admit to doing, and stop pretending it matches canon when it does not fit and does not need to fit.

 

[BillJ]

Which is what the comic writers should admit to doing, and stop pretending it matches canon when it does not fit and does not need to fit.

Looking at the dialogue above, it doesn't really look like they are violating anything on-screen. Fanon has a way of seeping in and making one think something happened that actually didn't.

I, and many others, thought that Spock was the first Vulcan in Starfleet and wanted to burn Paramount to the ground around the time of Enterprise.

 

[Nyotarules]

Looking at the dialogue above, it doesn't really look like they are violating anything on-screen. Fanon has a way of seeping in and making one think something happened that actually didn't.

I, and many others, thought that Spock was the first Vulcan in Starfleet and wanted to burn Paramount to the ground around the time of Enterprise.

I thought Spock was the only Vulcan in the universe until Journey to Babel. After that I bought that bridge connected to Brooklyn.

 

[JD]

I really don't see where it contradicts anything. From my memory and what was said earlier in the thread, it seems to me that there's plenty of wiggle room in what they established in the DS9 episodes to squeeze this in there.
TNG started in 2364 and Crossover was in 2370, so there are 6 years to set the story in without contradicting DS9 and still keep it in the TNG era.