I'd rather watch Jon and Trip make out next year

[emily_reich]

Re: I'd rather watch Jon and Trip make out next ye

Posted by Zane Gray:
The signs are all there. That's why they tabled the obvious sexual chemistry that was starting to develop between Trip and T'Pol early in Season One. That's why we haven't seen that woman Archer spent time on Risa with reappear. That's why the whole Rebecca subplot from The Expanse got canned. That's why T'Pol didn't get it on with anyone else in Bounty. And that's why she's being forced into a position where she'll have to resign her commission with the Vulcan High Command.

indeed.. sad it is.. in fact, it's even sadder that B&B don't see that SO MANY PEOPLE now see every scene with archer and tpol in the same room as more of these example and that it's so obviously a ratings stunt that we come here and talk about how disgusting it is....

as for bounty on a little side-note.... i thought that was a RELIEF because archer was not there.... but now

Without her commission, she's technically a civilian. That last scene in A Night in Sickbay is starting to make a lot more sense now, isn't it? The whole, "Then it is fortunate that we are not in a position to act on those feelings" statement.

and i was SO excited when tpol told archer that at the end of ANIS.... i was RELIEVED in fact....

Gee... all of a sudden in Season Three, they WILL be in such a position. And you know that's damn well what B&B have wanted all along. Sex = ratings. Sexy Vulcan = ratings opportunity.

ya know, the WORST part of it is... sexy vulcan + ugly human = ratings flop

 

[Zane Gray]

Re: I'd rather watch Jon and Trip make out next ye

Posted by slappy:

Posted by Zane Gray:

Maybe the writers haven't, but...

You could've stopped right there. Anybody ever tell you what happens when you assume?

Well then, I guess you're clearly a FAR more intelligent person than I am. You're certainly far more willing to place faith in a pair of guys who have creatively run Star Trek into the ground than I am. Enjoy your Enterprise then, 'cause you're getting exactly what you settle for. I've been a Trek fan since the early 70s, but I'm joining up with the legions of former Trek fans who have abandoned this tired franchise.

 

[Imzadi13]

Re: I'd rather watch Jon and Trip make out next ye

*sigh*
I sucks pretty much to be one of the few on this board that actually likes the idea of Archer and T'Pol getting together.
But alas...it is so, and I can't make it different.

 

[emily_reich]

Re: I'd rather watch Jon and Trip make out next ye

Posted by Imzadi13:
*sigh*
I sucks pretty much to be one of the few on this board that actually likes the idea of Archer and T'Pol getting together.
But alas...it is so, and I can't make it different.

no worries... in fact, i wouldn't really MIND too much either if i thought TPTB would handle it maturely... but sadly, i just don't see it happening...

 

[Imzadi13]

Re: I'd rather watch Jon and Trip make out next ye

Posted by emily_reich:

Posted by Imzadi13:
*sigh*
I sucks pretty much to be one of the few on this board that actually likes the idea of Archer and T'Pol getting together.
But alas...it is so, and I can't make it different.

no worries... in fact, i wouldn't really MIND too much either if i thought TPTB would handle it maturely... but sadly, i just don't see it happening...

Thats why I'm just keeping my fingers and toes crossed.
I'm hoping and praying...thats all I can say

 

[Dorian Thompson]

Re: I'd rather watch Jon and Trip make out next ye

Imzadi13, you're a righteous woman. Never feel compelled to stay out of any of my threads just because you sail the Archer/T'Pol ship. Promise?

To be perfectly honest, a huge part of my Archer/T'Pol objection was (and still is) the fact not that it derailed what was once my romantic ship of choice (Trip/T'Pol) but rather because it was seeming to derail the Archer/Tucker friendship. Derail isn't the right word. Maybe push aside is a more apt description. All slashy fantasies aside, Bakula and Trinneer's interactions are so loving and genuine and such a treat that I can't stand to see them tossed aside for dialogue such as "I wonder if the Vulcan High Command will believe humans and Vulcans will swap chromosomes some day." UGH. I much prefer....

I thought I told you to have that repainted......

I was getting around to it.....

Perfect.

You know, if there was a chance in hell that Archer and T'Pol could be written maturely, with an emphasis on how lonely and isolated a captain must feel. Hmmmmmmmm, no that's a pipe dream. T'Pol always seems to lose that essence of herself when she's nice to Jon. Still....a thread germinates in my head.

 

[emily_reich]

Re: I'd rather watch Jon and Trip make out next ye

Posted by Dorian Thompson:
because it was seeming to derail the Archer/Tucker friendship. Derail isn't the right word. Maybe push aside is a more apt description. All slashy fantasies aside, Bakula and Trinneer's interactions are so loving and genuine and such a treat that I can't stand to see them tossed aside for dialogue such as "I wonder if the Vulcan High Command will believe humans and Vulcans will swap chromosomes some day." UGH. I much prefer....

I thought I told you to have that repainted......

I was getting around to it.....

Perfect.

i agree with ya here for sure...

in fact, i think trip is the ONLY character with whom archer has any chemistry, friendship or otherwise, and now that i think about it, back when the archer/trip friendship was a big part of the show, i actually DID like archer... yet now i find myself unable to stand watching him on screen with just about anyone... especially tpol (although that is for i fear the inevitable (with B&B in charge) in any scene with the two of them since ANIS )

hmm... perhaps TPTB could take a hint from this

 

[myst123]

Re: I'd rather watch Jon and Trip make out next ye

Dorian, I thought in First Flight that the first time Archer saw Trip he fell in love, and hasn't been able to deal with it since. I hope that he comes to realize that Malcolm is the one for him - that is my second ship of choice after Trip and T'Pol! When Malcolm found Archer in the penal colony at the end of Judgment, the joy on both their faces was priceless. And the two are so funny as they compete with each other.

I don't know why TPTB are forcing the T'Pol and Archer pairing. If they had any chemistry, I could buy the conflict they would face as Captain and first officer.

Yes, there was much more sexual chemistry between Trip and Archer at the beginning of Bounty (and in any scene the two have!) than with Archer and T'Pol. But if TPTB want Archer and T'Pol together, it doesn't matter that the two are a snore.

 

[Imzadi13]

Re: I'd rather watch Jon and Trip make out next ye

Posted by Dorian Thompson:
Imzadi13, you're a righteous woman. Never feel compelled to stay out of any of my threads just because you sail the Archer/T'Pol ship. Promise?

Are you coming onto me J/K Thanks Dorian. But I'm hardly righteous Ok...well maybe a lil bit...

To be perfectly honest, a huge part of my Archer/T'Pol objection was (and still is) the fact not that it derailed what was once my romantic ship of choice (Trip/T'Pol) but rather because it was seeming to derail the Archer/Tucker friendship. Derail isn't the right word. Maybe push aside is a more apt description. All slashy fantasies aside, Bakula and Trinneer's interactions are so loving and genuine and such a treat that I can't stand to see them tossed aside for dialogue such as "I wonder if the Vulcan High Command will believe humans and Vulcans will swap chromosomes some day." UGH. I much prefer....

I thought I told you to have that repainted......

I was getting around to it.....

Perfect.

I understand completely. And its not even the fact of it (A/TP) derailing it, its the fact that you never see Archer and Trip together at all anymore, except in meetings and such. Its mostly Trip and Reed anymore (not that I don't like that friendship.) But perhaps, once Archer and T'Pol finally get rid of the sexual tension or whatever, maybe Trip and Archer will get back to hanging out more on the show...but thats just speculation. I'm still even doubting the fact that Archer and T'Pol will even get together. I guess I won't believe it till I see it. ya know.

You know, if there was a chance in hell that Archer and T'Pol could be written maturely, with an emphasis on how lonely and isolated a captain must feel. Hmmmmmmmm, no that's a pipe dream. T'Pol always seems to lose that essence of herself when she's nice to Jon. Still....a thread germinates in my head.

Lose what essence of herself? I got lost.
But agreed. I only want a mature type relationship...and so far mostly it has been written that way. I would say get some X-Files writers in on this, cuz they wrote a very mature relationship for Mulder and Scully....but it took too long

 

[Dorian Thompson]

Re: I'd rather watch Jon and Trip make out next ye

Lose what essence of herself? I got lost.

Things like the situation in The Seventh. If T'Pol is a fully trained reconaissance agent--a Vulcan agent--she shouldn't need a babysitter, no matter if her emotions are unsettling her or not. She should be one tough m****r f****r. She just seemed too blankety blank weepy for my tastes so that big Jon could rescue her. That was the first episode I can remember being actively annoyed by T'Pol as I watched. The one thing I had always enjoyed about T'Pol, to that point at least, was her strength of character. I felt it was totally contrived to throw her and Jonathan together. There are other examples. Her strength seems to wane when it's convenient for the plot. Oh, if only they hadn't written ANIS!!!! I can never seem to view Archer and T'Pol without looking through that cheesy, juvenile, puerile lens TPTB put forth for them. Ick. "I'm doing the breast I can." What the hell were they thinking??

 

[Wichita]

Re: I'd rather watch Jon and Trip make out next ye

Dorian, what happened? Didn't you get the memo?

T'Pol is a "new" kind of woman. Despite being physically stronger and, quite possibly, smarter that the man in question (who "appears" to be twice her age), she spends her time telling him how gifted he is when they are together and tries not to show him up, by being more capable, when they are apart. She, essentially, abandons her religion - logic - to rescue him from the consequences of his own actions time and time again. Apparently, next year she will also abandon the career she has worked years for to follow him, goodness knows where, in the pursuit of a yet unknown goal. Yes, T'Pol is a modern woman!

Seriously, now, I, too, don't want to see a Archer/T'Pol romance. That doesn't mean, however, that there should not be a mature relationship between the two. Adult men and women can, on occasion , just be friends.

When various posters have pointed out this scene or that, I can see a relationship in the moments in question - I just don't see the chemistry or passion of a romance. I see two people who are letting go of their preconceptions to learn more about each other and their cultures. It would be very "Bones-Kirk-Spock"-like to do so. Creating a relationship of that type, but with a man and woman, would actually be more novel than simply making the two lovers.

I would definitely vote for Trip and Archer over Archer and T'Pol. Heck, I would even vote for T'Pol and the crewmen that Wispy Reed was coming on to in the elevator. It wouldn't do anything for me, but at least some of the guys might enjoy it.

 

[Dorian Thompson]

Re: I'd rather watch Jon and Trip make out next ye

Trip and Archer playing shirtless geskana in the desert. Yummmmmmmmm...... The way they were flirting with each other on that water polo date was pretty shameless, too, in retrospect.

WORD on how T'Pol loses herself to prop him up. Wichita articulated my sentiments on that subject better than I could, Imzadi13.

 

[myst123]

Re: I'd rather watch Jon and Trip make out next ye

Wichita! Amen. You have said exactly what I was unable to articulate. Thanks!

It all is clear to me now. TPTB have been making Archer behave in such an asinine manner around T'Pol because they want us all to see that...Trip and Archer belong together! They have been trying to think of a way to introduce a gay couple into the series, and so have created this dull relationship between Archer and T'Pol so that everyone will welcome, with relief!, a genuine relationship between two characters who actually have chemistry! Brilliant! And I will still watch, because I like Trip and Archer - they are worth my time.

 

[Zane Gray]

Re: I'd rather watch Jon and Trip make out next ye

You know what? All right, what the hell. Even I would rather see Archer/Trip than Archer/T'Pol. Sheesh.

 

[Dorian Thompson]

Re: I'd rather watch Jon and Trip make out next ye

No need to limit ourselves to Archer and Trip. We can throw Reed into the mixture and season to taste. He can give Jon and Trip a breather while he bestows his affections on the other.

Yes, Archer/Reed and Trip/Reed have their positive aspects. What has happened to my good Catholic midwestern upbringing? I must have missed Sunday school class the day they taught us to avoid those people of a particular persuasion.

 

[myst123]

Re: I'd rather watch Jon and Trip make out next ye

LOL, Dorian and Zane! I love it. Thanks.

And, Dorian, Catholic girls like us were raised to be part of the IDIC creed.

 

[The Realist]

Re: I'd rather watch Jon and Trip make out next ye

Posted by emily_reich:
maturely

*ding!*

Posted by Dorian Thompson:
maturely

*dingding!*

Posted by Imzadi13:
mature

*dingdingding!*

Posted by Wichita:
mature

*dingdingdingding!*

I'm detecting a bugaboo loose in this thread, Captain!

 

[Imzadi13]

Re: I'd rather watch Jon and Trip make out next ye

Posted by Dorian Thompson:

Lose what essence of herself? I got lost.

Things like the situation in The Seventh. If T'Pol is a fully trained reconaissance agent--a Vulcan agent--she shouldn't need a babysitter, no matter if her emotions are unsettling her or not. She should be one tough m****r f****r. She just seemed too blankety blank weepy for my tastes so that big Jon could rescue her. That was the first episode I can remember being actively annoyed by T'Pol as I watched. The one thing I had always enjoyed about T'Pol, to that point at least, was her strength of character. I felt it was totally contrived to throw her and Jonathan together. There are other examples. Her strength seems to wane when it's convenient for the plot. Oh, if only they hadn't written ANIS!!!! I can never seem to view Archer and T'Pol without looking through that cheesy, juvenile, puerile lens TPTB put forth for them. Ick. "I'm doing the breast I can." What the hell were they thinking??

Agreed. I do think that she should have been some hardass agent woman. However, she is living on a Human ship, and has been around humans for over 2 years at that time, so I'm sure they were kinda wearing her emotions thin just a bit. That coupled with the fact that she was having flashbacks and couldn't remember the previous events that lead to Josen's (??) death and Menos' getaway, were taking their toll on her concentration. She wanted someone to help her out, and she didn't want to ask a Vulcan who was a stranger when she believed that Archer would help her. She chose him becuase whether we try to believe it or not, there is a mutual trust and admiration between the two. I mean...she even *touches* him....which is a lil odd consiering Vulcans are touch telepaths so she would be getting the residual emotions and thoughts off him...

Anyhoo I digress. I can see how you would see that she was losing her edge of sorts. I don't agree with it, but I can see where you see it.

 

[emily_reich]

Re: I'd rather watch Jon and Trip make out next ye

Wichita, i am with you all the way... if only they would keep the GOOD friendship that the two have and HADN'T made ANIS, the world would be a better place... the two HAVE a good trusting relationship... but we CAN'T see it becuase TPTB have shoved ANIS down our throats so we know they are basically abandoning that whole relationship in favor or a supposed "sexier" one!!

and Dorian, i agree! Throw mal in there.. he needs some lovin' anyway but until then, let's just go for the A/T that actually WORKS

 

[where'sSaavik?]

Posted by Dorian Thompson:
They were sexier having a hockey date than Archer and T'Pol were greasing each other up in his decon dreams.

I thought that was water polo. Which is like hockey . . . for the hopelessly lame.

Trip and Archer do have more sexual chemistry than Archer and T'Pol. They have more chemistry period. Bakula and Blalock are good at depicting their characters in conflict, but even then there's not really a sexual dynamic to it. They work together. That's pretty much it. We've all seen the scenes where Bermaga have tried to make them "sexy." And those are always so amazingly contrived it's insulting and almost painful. Actually painful when you think about ANIS. Honestly, I think I lost five whole IQ points watching that piece of crap.

And who here remembers Trip/T'Pol from last year? Great moments from SNW and BTI. Mondo chemistry. But where the hell did it go? Grrr. Trip gets thrown into idiotic sexual encounters with alien princesses and rejects from the "Enemy Mine" casting call. Meanwhile we get this T'Pol/Archer crap stuffed down our throats.

TPTB really need to forget this angle. If they're going to develop a romance than do Trip/T'Pol. Or better yet, Hoshi/Reed, and give some of the second tier characters something to do other than technobabble on the bridge.