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I want to know why the Matrix sequels were so bad?

"Show, don't tell." We should have gotten flashbacks?

The scene was showing us that the Architect doesn't get people, quite effectively. But the Oracle saying he doesn't understand is telling. Also, the monitors showed us how Neo reacted before. And of course the whole scene recalls Morpheus giving that boring blue pill, red pill speech. As in, Neo has to make a life determining choice. If the first movie had only known that you're supposed to show, not tell, we wouldn't haven't gotten more of this stuff in the sequel.

They say one picture is worth a thousands words. But it's also true that a thousand words is worth a million pictures. This isn't transitive, as a mathematician might say, but it's still true. The problem with the the first movie is the number of times it shows, but still doesn't tell. You don't know why Neo comes back to life. If Keanu Reeves sold you the characters, you still liked the show, but that wasn't good movie making. The sequel shows and tells.

Anyone who thinks Lost is good character drama might be expected to believe that real people don't talk about anything other than their feelings, but however can anyone who hangs around a bbs not have noticed that people can go on about all sorts of things, at great length?

It may be that some people just feel (can't call it think, can we?) that explanations are just not as much fun. Some of us differ. For instance, the Oracle is the same character in both movies but when the sequel explains that she is a program we can understand, therefore appreciate. She's not as cool in the first movie because she makes no sense, she's the key player and we don't know why she's doing anything or how she's doing it. How can that be cooler?

Samuel Walters' pot of pasta metaphor is suggestive, except for the error of seeing the taste of excess salt. The correct metaphor is that The Matrix is a pot of pasta, the sequel is another pot of the same pasta. Some people like the pasta in both pots, while other people insist that only the pasta in the first pot is any good. Most everybody who swears the pasta in the second pot is different talks about something that is in the first pot!

The Lensman for example talks about how uncool the fights in the sequel were. The problem is, the fights in the first movie got to be boring. I know this for a fact, I watched and got bored. On the few occasions I've rewatched the trilogy, I've fast forwarded in the first movie.
Not only do I prefer Dark City to The Matrix, I prefer The Thirteenth Floor to The Matrix. It's the sequels that make things more interesting because they make more sense. The nonsense about energy from people makes perfect sense as a false belief propagated deliberately to confuse resistance, for example.

I am not at all certain as to how you know that the movie doesn't just leave us in a "reality" that is just as much a simulation as the movie Matrix is. Neo's conversations in the train station are quite ambiguous as to what "reality" is being referred to. Also, blue sparks do not make anything fly in the real world, do they?

Myasischev, Nebuchadnezzar was the Babylonian king whose dreams Daniel was interpreting. According to the Bible, Nebuchadnezzar also went mad and ate grass for seven years. The name is suggestive of someone receiving true interpretation of dreams, resistant to the message, even to the point of madness, yet in the end helpless to defeat the future foretold. (One of the dreams was the finger writing on the wall "mene, mene, tekel, upharsin.") I think the philosophy of The Matrix is gibberish (philisophical materialism for me, all the way, baby,) but it is really there, it is really thought out, and it does give the sequel an interest the first movie could never sustain on its own.
 
Samuel Walters' pot of pasta metaphor is suggestive, except for the error of seeing the taste of excess salt. The correct metaphor is that The Matrix is a pot of pasta, the sequel is another pot of the same pasta. Some people like the pasta in both pots, while other people insist that only the pasta in the first pot is any good. Most everybody who swears the pasta in the second pot is different talks about something that is in the first pot!
To continue the metaphor (far beyond the point of good "taste") the proper explanation is that The Matrix was one pot of pasta; Reloaded and Revolutions were both served from a second pot. The basic recipe for the two pots was the same, but for the sequel pot, the cooks indulged a bit more with some of the ingredients. :p
 
There's one rule of film making. Show, don't tell.

Generally true, but there's also a long dramatic tradition of speech-making, monologues and soliloquies going back to the earliest playwrights. They provide the opportunity for the writers to demonstrate their rhetorical skill which dialogue does not. The Architect's speech is just such a tour de force, a moment that is supposed to be a pause in the action while the audience is immersed into his worldview.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

I agree...and I never really liked any of the Matrix movies....but the idea of just the protagonist coming face to face with , well I guess the Architect is almost like a god, and the god just tearing his world down was for me one of the best parts of the three movies.
 
Samuel Walters' pot of pasta metaphor is suggestive, except for the error of seeing the taste of excess salt. The correct metaphor is that The Matrix is a pot of pasta, the sequel is another pot of the same pasta. Some people like the pasta in both pots, while other people insist that only the pasta in the first pot is any good. Most everybody who swears the pasta in the second pot is different talks about something that is in the first pot!
To continue the metaphor (far beyond the point of good "taste") the proper explanation is that The Matrix was one pot of pasta; Reloaded and Revolutions were both served from a second pot. The basic recipe for the two pots was the same, but for the sequel pot, the cooks indulged a bit more with some of the ingredients. :p

Particularly alcohol.
 
You know I didn't hate Matrix Reloaded. I thought it was a mixed bag: The Zion rave was pretty bleh, but the film undermined some of the cliche messianic imagery of the first movie - a film I was never as big a fan of as many of my peers seemed to - and I was actually interested to see how that'd play out in the final flick.

Then we had the final flick. Which aside from just being boring, was a total cop out. I haven't watched anything by the Wachkowskis since. The Matrix trilogy isn't abominable, but the final act is pretty terrible however I slice it.

As my t-shirt from the Onion says: "I appreciate the Muppets on a much deeper level than you". :D

http://www.theonion.com/articles/i-appreciate-the-muppets-on-a-much-deeper-level-th,16208/
 
I really enjoyed The Matrix and eagerly looked forward to the sequels, despite some aspects to the story foundation being quite lame. For me, science fiction works well when it has strong elements of plausibility incorporated into key premises. Future-tech based on a conceivable evolution of known technology.

However, the idea of inert human beings being used as "generators" to provide power for intelligent machines that have taken over the Earth is just preposterous. It is quite well known that the human body has an electrical nature. But... give me a frickin' break--there is no way it generates enough energy to sufficiently power a non-biological electrical device. If this key premise of The Matrix were to approach plausibility, you'd have human beings physically turning some kind of generator to create electricity. The story would be that "the machines" (or "AI") found a way to hijack human neural pathways to control aspects to the physical body, sufficiently independent of the mind that the mind would have no idea of the hijacking. The bodies would be fed some synthesized organic matter for sustenance for turning turbines with the arms and legs that generate power. It would be at a rate that would lightly tax the cardiovascular system, while providing sufficient electrical power to make the maintenance of the human body worthwhile.

This version of the enslavement makes FAR more sense, to support the ability for human beings to escape and actually use their bodies once free. The lack of muscular development without use since birth would be almost as bad as if the person was a concentration camp victim. Anyone freed of a chamber would be incapable of moving around due to the significant lack of musculature. The Matrix solved this problem by providing a muscle reconstruction technology. Impressive to see, but frankly way outside the scope of plausibility to really work.

Anyway, despite this glaring flaw, the movie was well done.


The sequels did fall short quite a bit. It's as though the writers had not conceived of a long range story with the advent of the first one. The relationship between Neo and Trinity was so bereft of belief... there was nothing really there to tie them together. And every time they entered The Matrix, the people would adopt this "I'm bad and uber cool" mentality. Laughable. About the only character I found interesting was Merovingian. But even then, the programs appeared too well aware of the fact that they were in a rather pointless concocted environment. What a tremendously illogical predicament--programmed to pretend emotional reactions to ethereal representations, all the while knowing it's all fake.

The stories were ambiguous and wandered without real purpose. It's a shame, because when you think of the financial investment to make these movies, they should have had a more viably thought out story line. There was a lot of potential there, sadly lost... what a waste.

Regardless, the two sequels had plenty of eye candy for some entertainment. I would never buy the DVD's, as I can't see watching them more than once or twice every few years, so a low cost grab from Netflix makes much more sense to me.
 
First movie, made help of machines, argue against enslavement to machines. Fun movie. Make million dollars.

W brothers realize: buy more machines, make bigger movies, make bazillion dollars. Tie in video games, make majillion dollars!

Small problem: how to argue against being machine-slave when selling machine games?

Solution: machines not so bad. Misunderstood. Actually, watch machine-animated movie: humans bad first. Machines really good.

Machine virus, though, not make W brothers tarillion dollars. Machine virus definitely, very bad.

Movies and games made. Are lame. But, make wadillion dollars! Happy end!


Next: movie about machine-cars. Good machines! Bad humans. Make games about good machines! Buy games! W brothers money, more!


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The second Matrix movie was pretty good. The third one just totally sucked. Over time I've kind of lumped the two together and Revolutions winds up tainting Reloaded. Revolutions spent way too much time in Zion. I just didn't care about anything that happened there and for anyone there for that matter. And the characters just spouted mumbo jumbo when the writers had them answer questions posed in the films. It's hard to enjoy something when you're totally confused.
 
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