I want Khan.

[Gov Kodos]

Yeah, something tells me these writers won't be showing the kind of restraint that TWOK showed, where Kirk and Khan never even met face to face.

That wasn't restraint, that was a scheduling constraint. More than one of the folks on the film said that it was a mistake not to have had the face-to-face confrontation, but Montalban - who was a bigger star and working regularly in television - wasn't available to shoot when Shatner was.

Ok maybe it wasn't planned that way, but much like the unseen shark in Jaws, having Kirk and Khan only communicating over a distance (like a couple of true commanders at war) now seems like a pretty smart and sophisticated move. At least to me.

I liked it fine without a face to face moment. Not getting his hands on Kirk really adds to Kahn's manic obsession to destroy the inferior Kirk. It would have been nice to see Kirk and Kahn together for some scenes, but I don't think the movie looses much without that either. If Abrahm's is going to use the character in the next film, I have reasonable hope it will be a fun movie like the last one.

 

[Set Harth]

Up close and personal it just becomes a wrestling match, as seen in Space Seed.

 

[davejames]

To be fair, after all that Khan was put through on Ceti Alpha V, you'd think he would be a bit more hungry to confront Kirk face to face, and choke the life out of him, or really make him suffer somehow.

Instead he seems content to simply blow up his ship or have Terell and Chekov shoot him on the planetoid.

 

[BillJ]

I always wondered why Khan didn't beam up Kirk after he snagged the Genesis device?

 

[CorporalClegg]

To be fair, after all that Khan was put through on Ceti Alpha V, you'd think he would be a bit more hungry ..

You're right. Surviving all those years on a dead planet on nothing but his "superior intellect." I'd suspect he'd be quite peckish indeed.

Instead he seems content to simply blow up his ship or have Terell and Chekov shoot him on the planetoid.

And for all we know, he could have been just as content letting Joachim torturing and murding the Regula scientists. After all, we only have Terell's word to go by that it was actually Khan and he had one of those magic slug-roach things in his brain--not the most trust worthy of people.

 

[ALF]

Khan in Canon.

Can we agree to call it Khanon?

 

[Captaindemotion]

^ We Khan not.

 

[C.E. Evans]

I always wondered why Khan didn't beam up Kirk after he snagged the Genesis device?

He already had people on the ground with phasers aimed to kill Kirk. Real power isn't doing things yourself, it's commanding other people to do things for you. Khan was kind of "gangsta" that way...

 

[Hythlodeus]

Only if Pike Prime is called Primike and nobody wants that

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46w5CzAcMVA&feature=related[/yt]

 

[Ranger3]

To be fair, after all that Khan was put through on Ceti Alpha V, you'd think he would be a bit more hungry ..

You're right. Surviving all those years on a dead planet on nothing but his "superior intellect." I'd suspect he'd be quite peckish indeed.

Instead he seems content to simply blow up his ship or have Terell and Chekov shoot him on the planetoid.

And for all we know, he could have been just as content letting Joachim torturing and murding the Regula scientists. After all, we only have Terell's word to go by that it was actually Khan and he had one of those magic slug-roach things in his brain--not the most trust worthy of people.

Whose to say that Terrell wasn't telling the truth in regards to Khan butchering the Regula 1 scientists?

Joachim didn't seem the type to murder innocent civilians. He kept trying to talk Khan out of seeking vengeance. Even in Vonda McIntyre's novelization, one of the scientists observed that Joachim hated what Khan was doing, and encouraged the young man to help the surviving scientists stop Khan.

Khan was the one who killed the scientists. He was already insane with hatred, so he would have been the one responsible. Besides, McIntyre revealed that in the tie-in novelization.

 

[Devon]

This is surprising to me, all the negative reactions to Khan possibly being the villian. I've always believe Space Seed was amongst the favorite of episodes,a nd the WoK was amongst the top 2 or 3 favorites of the movies?

Since the Universe has been rebooted, they can pretty much go anywhere with Khan, so, even if we knew for a fact that Khan was the villian, we wouldn't know anything else, as they may go a completely different direction than what we know of Khan in Canon.

Exactly. Any of the negative reaction toward reusing Khan, as evidenced by some of the posts here, is out of confusion over the issue. Some people are confusing reusing Khan with reusing "The Wrath of Khan." Obviously, if one actually stopped to think, they would know that "The Wrath of Khan" couldn't even happened at this point since that film revolves around Khan's quest for vengence against Kirk for leaving him stranded on that baron planet for years and his wife's death, and plus the B story of Khan meeting his ADULT son.

But, again, that requires some to "stop and think." We'll see how that goes, even with several of the posts that exist that would ease people's minds.

Not to mention one of the producers saying that the film would not be a remake (and they technically could be correct and still use Khan.)

No remake folks

 

[Captaindemotion]

^ I can only speak for myself but I've been alive to the fact that any Khan who will appear in this movie (if he does) will be more like the one of Space Seed and not the one from TWOK. But I still don't really want to see him again. It's about personal preference, not confusion.

 

[Trekkie2]

If Khan is in the movie, I hope it's a bit part. I do believe that the Klingons would whack anybody with the virus, if they were willing to kill millions of their own people.

I wonder, since it's "rumored" that Khan will be back, if Nero will be back? I know Eric Bana said he won't be returning, but it doesn't seem like you can take the word of people involved with this production anymore.

 

[Saul]

I don't see why people are so against the idea of Khan returning considering that the 2009 film brought back and recast the original series Characters and created an all new universe to play in. So what's the problem with bringing back one very popular well known Villain and recasting him? So many people who supported the 2009 movie used the Batman analogy for the restart of the franchise and recasting characters. Ok, well look at the Joker then and what Heath Ledger brought to the character.

Khan is iconic to Star Trek. He is a Villain that people know more of than even the Borg because when TWOK came out it was only the second Star Trek film to be released and there was still only one series and no over saturation. Star Trek was still attracting a more regular audience compared to today so he is one of those Villains that lots of people know because it's the movie where Spock dies. It's a classic to young and old. Why not bring him back? How many people have seen "Space Seed" compared to TWOK? There is a backstory that many regular film goers don't know and this next sequel has the chance to introduce a character and show why he would be so pissed off with Kirk to begin with. Heck yeah i'm on board for this one. As for the Klingons? Been there done that to death.

 

[M-Red]

Exactly. Any of the negative reaction toward reusing Khan, as evidenced by some of the posts here, is out of confusion over the issue. Some people are confusing reusing Khan with reusing "The Wrath of Khan." Obviously, if one actually stopped to think, they would know that "The Wrath of Khan" couldn't even happened at this point since that film revolves around Khan's quest for vengence against Kirk for leaving him stranded on that baron planet for years and his wife's death, and plus the B story of Khan meeting his ADULT son.

But, again, that requires some to "stop and think." We'll see how that goes, even with several of the posts that exist that would ease people's minds.

People aren't confused, they just have a different opinion.

 

[Photoman15]

WANT SOMETHING NEW!
Me no want rehash of dead villain.
Ugh

 

[Captaindemotion]

I don't see why people are so against the idea of Khan returning considering that the 2009 film brought back and recast the original series Characters and created an all new universe to play in.

The original characters are essential to the reboot. But Khan isn't. And as you say, they have a whole new universe to play in. I'd rather play in new parts of it. The whole strange new worlds, new civilisations bit of Trek.

So what's the problem with bringing back one very popular well known Villain and recasting him?

There's nothing 'wrong' with it. It's just not my preferred route for them to go down. Obviously he has to be re-cast - Montalban can't play the role. I just think that Star Trek has so many storytelling possibilities without revisiting someone like Khan.

So many people who supported the 2009 movie used the Batman analogy for the restart of the franchise and recasting characters. Ok, well look at the Joker then and what Heath Ledger brought to the character.

The Joker is Batman's arch nemesis. There has to be a Joker in every version of Batman, be it Romero, Nicholson, Hamill or Ledger. He has to be reinvented for every generation. Khan was intended as a one-shot villain, who was brought back to very good use by Harve Bennett and Nick Meyer. He's not the same as The Joker.

Khan is iconic to Star Trek. He is a Villain that people know more of than even the Borg because when TWOK came out it was only the second Star Trek film to be released and there was still only one series and no over saturation. Star Trek was still attracting a more regular audience compared to today so he is one of those Villains that lots of people know because it's the movie where Spock dies. It's a classic to young and old. Why not bring him back? How many people have seen "Space Seed" compared to TWOK? There is a backstory that many regular film goers don't know and this next sequel has the chance to introduce a character and show why he would be so pissed off with Kirk to begin with. Heck yeah i'm on board for this one.

While I like TWOK an awful lot, I do think that Trek fans overstate its popularity and status among casual cinema fans. I don't think Khan is all that iconic. I suspect Montalban is better known for Mr Roarke than Mr Singh. And the Klingons are much better known than either Khan or the Borg.

As for the Klingons? Been there done that to death.

I can't see how you can possibly on the one hand argue that we need to see more of Khan and then say that the Klingons are done to death. The Klingons haven't had a prominent role in a Trek movie since TUC (the Duras sisters in GEN were supporting cannon fodder). Yes, I know they appeared a lot in TNG and DS9 but the casual fans who will see the next movie won't have seen this. We haven't seen 23rd century Klingons (apart from in DS9's Trials and Tribble-ations) since TUC in 1991 - 20 years ago.

The Klingons are the definitive bad guy race in classic Trek and Kirk had three memorable opponents in Kor, Kang and Koloth. I'd argue that if any classic Trek villains are ripe for recasting and reinvention, it's any and all of them. I think the Joker/Batman comparison is more apt here. We got the origin movie out of the way - now it's time to reinvent the hero's best known enemy.

 

[Set Harth]

that baron planet

Is that where Lando comes from?

I don't see why people are so against the idea of Khan returning considering that the 2009 film brought back and recast the original series Characters and created an all new universe to play in.

You answer your own question.

 

[Trekkie2]

The fact is, we know Khan's history. I don't care whether the character's do or not. The movie is supposed to entertain us and if we know the character well, and a lot of us do, we are not going to be surprised nor applaud when his eventual demise happens....

Khan has a son? Maybe in fanon, but not in canon.