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I think my girlfriend is a Christian! Advice needed.

I forget, how did season 4 end?

Essentially with self-realization. MadBaggins found himself in a play being produced by Batgirl and his Cousin (or others, perhaps) that ended up being based around MadBaggin's own life with him playing himself. He realized this as the audience became enthralled with the characters and started meta-talking about it so he became disillusioned about the whole thing and stepped out of the show.

Anyway. Considering the OP is a made up story (as testified by the thread), the original poster may be agreeing with me in that Richard Dawkins and his ilk are a real danger to modern society - because of people like the OP's "character" in his story. Yeah, those people really exist. Why are they so dangerous? Because they wrap their prejudices and close-mindedness in a box made of science and logic. They're still horrible people who persecute those who're unlike them, except they do it while using imagery of something impartial. To me, they're no better than religious fundamentalists - yeah, Dawkins is IMO about as dangerous as Al Qaeda. Feel free to disagree with this sentiment, but for Pete's sake, do not post about it here, because all it will cause will be furious argument, and we don't want that.

Awwww. Man! This makes too much sense.

Don't make me think in my mindless entertainment.
 
Well, the general idea the poster was going for that MadBaggins is acting as an irrational atheist at such an extreme as to make fun of irrational atheists.

Anyway, looking back it seems the other MadBaggins threads have not survived the various purges and other issues the board has had of late. Only the last two "seasons" have survived.

I'm in Love With My Best Friend! - August - October 2009.

I'm Dating an Older Woman! - October 2008 - March 2009.
 
I feel the OP's pain. Sometimes it seems as if the simple folk are all happy and together, while the deep thinkers must go it alone, misunderstood and all sad and stuff.

From input such as this, perhaps you should press the Total key on the adding machine of life, and compute a new response.

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em! Yes, convert! Don't try to change her; let her have the pleasure of changing you! Let her "fix you!" Then, you can actually be together!

And, hey, if it doesn't work out, you can always divorce her down the road. Don't worry about her dad. That speech you're going to get from him after you propose, about taking care of his girl "or else," that's all for show.
 
I don't think it's fair to say Dawkings is like Al Qaeda. He might come across as a jerk but that's just because he's sick of people sending him hate mail. I saw a video who did where he had a big bonfire with the letters and stood in front of the flames like the Devil (if he was real), it was funny. Also remember he is a proper scientist who has studied the human body. Al Qaeda don't believe in science. I think that's why they haven't developed the atom bomb yet, thankfully.

You gotta pull the band aid off. Sit her down and tell her you like her, and want to get to know her better. Then ask her if you can ask her some questions, volunteering to answer anything you ask. Ask about favorite animal, favorite color, dog person or cat person, which side of the bed does she sleep on (as in if we ever get together like that it helps to know if we are compatible).

Then bring up religion. Ask her denomination, and how important religion is in her life. Volunteer you don't believe, but don't try and tell her she is wrong. A strongly religious person may choose to part ways then and there.

If you can accept the differences, and if she can, move it forward, otherwise part ways amicably.

This sounds good, I might try it! I already know she likes both dog AND cats, which is cool. I do too. If she doesn't reveal herself soon I'll definitely do it.

I've thought doing this, but I'd have to be really subtle. She's quite strong-willed and stubborn and would try to argue with me if I just came out and told her the facts about her beliefs. Ideally I'd want to teach her about atheism without her even knowing I'm doing it, like leaving little atheist clues around for her to find, like breadcrumbs. But this sounds hard.

If she is an evangelical christian she will also be leaving you christian clues like breadcrumbs, hoping you get intrigued and lured into her beliefs.

I never thought about that. I feel paranoia'd now. I think she might have said a bible quote the other day, come to think of it (something about throwing stones in houses) but I wasn't really listening. But I've studied the bible in the past so I'm well armed against its weapons!

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em! Yes, convert! Don't try to change her; let her have the pleasure of changing you! Let her "fix you!" Then, you can actually be together!

I don't know if that will work with my new state of mind. I'd always be asking myself questions like "how could Noah's Arc be real?" and "what about other religions like Indians have and like Thor and stuff like that people used to believe in?" I can't stop asking questions.
 
The OP was so odd...you guys yelled at each other in the hallway from time to time till you realized there was sexual attraction???

The rest of it hurts my brain.

I could probably get along with a Christian wife/gf if they didn't try to change my mind and convert me, but it wouldn't be my first choice.

RAMA
 
I never thought about that. I feel paranoia'd now. I think she might have said a bible quote the other day, come to think of it (something about throwing stones in houses) but I wasn't really listening. But I've studied the bible in the past so I'm well armed against its weapons!

By "studied" you mean you read it over the course of weekend and proclaimed yourself a Professor of Theology.

I don't know if that will work with my new state of mind. I'd always be asking myself questions like "how could Noah's Arc be real?"

I think of it as not everything in The Bible being a literal account of events, whatever Noah's arc is supposed to represent (I dunno, an ice age? A meteor strike that killed the dinosaurs?) is simply dumbed down to "yeah he stuffed a bunch of animals into a big boat" from "well, the significant cloud-cover over the planet lessened the sun-light that fed plants and warmed the earth so the bigger feeders died off and the lesser feeders survived allowing them to pass on their genetic traits. Genetics is..."


and "what about other religions like Indians have and like Thor and stuff like that people used to believe in?" I can't stop asking questions.

There's been plenty of religions over time but many of them (namely the Norse and Greek "gods") can be explained away as them simply really not understanding things. Does anyone today still believe in the Greek and Norse god as being actual beings that are around?

And you're supposed to ask questions. But at its most basic religion, gods and stuff is just a means to give people a sense of "security" and a continuity for things that happen after we die (a fear that impacts everyone.) It's simply too much to bear for some people that "this" is all there is. Many fear what happens after they die and may find comfort that some for of existence lies beyond. It's also comforting for many people to think that some supernatural being or force is out there helping us when we are in trouble or at least listening to us when we feel the need to express emotions and thoughts and there's no one to interact with. It also helps to make sense of the terrors of the world and reality that it is part of a "plan" and that things happen for "a reason."

It's a feeling of security that people look to religion for.

The problem is some people in some religions take the basic idea of their religion's desire to make sense of the world and take it to be the end-all, be-all authority on the way things are. And people without religion and simply accept science's findings to be true are just as bad.

Now, true, science may have a lot more merit on the evolution of mankind over the course of billions of years from single-celled organisms to the dominant species on the planet than the idea mankind came from two naked people who were made pretty much from nothing and, hey, the former makes more sense to me and all evidence points to that being the way. But I don't think that negates the "spirit" behind The Bible's theories on the creation of Creation.

It's the spirit behind those words that mean something, Baggins, not their literal meaning. You can ignore the Adam and Eve stuff, Noah's Ark the six-days thing, what have you and just look at them as parables to "explain" how some envisioned the creation of things before anyone had a clue the substance of the universe. You've read The Bible, you claim to at least, and no what is in there and there's a lot in there that speaks to the reader about pretty much being a good person or can maybe give comfort or wisdom in situations. (The "Good Samaritan" parable is one of my favorites, personally.)

But you're doing what leaders of every major religion has been doing since the dawn of man, you're claiming that what you think to be true is the end-all, be-all authority on everything and there is no room to think any other way. That's the sort of thinking that has caused the Middle East to be pretty much a pit of endless war and tension pretty much ever since Pangea broke up.

You may think your ideas are more valid and you may very well be right but you should completely dismiss or negate her feelings, thoughts and beliefs. They're just different.

As for the deal with Underworld, first of all that movie mostly sucked and Kate Beckinsale's physical attributes can be better appreciated in other movies most recently "Contraband." Secondly her thoughts on monster/vampire movies could have nothing to do with her religious beliefs which aren't likely to exclude liking a piece of fiction with nothing to say about God, the Universe and Everything. She might simply not like monster movies or pointless action movies that are nothing but a series of blood-filled action scenes.

Some people don't like action movies, some people don't like musical dramedy TV shows and some people juggle geese.

Get to now this chick and understand her and her beliefs more before you judge her and her character simply because she "might" go to church. And if she does? So what. Let her. It does no harm whatsoever. What does do harm is you judging her based on what she chooses to do with her Sunday mornings.
 
Since last year I have been attending classes at the local community college in an attempt to better myself. I didn't go in expecting to make friends, as many of the people there were a lot older than me or a bit strange, but I have actually ended up making some good friends! But there was one girl in some of my classes who I never talked to much. Even though she was hot I wasn't sure if I liked her as she always seemed a bit smug and haughty. One time I nearly walked into her in a corridor and she tutted and said "watch it!" She sounded serious so I said "NO" at her face. She looked a bit surprised then just kind of backed away. I think she respected me after that. We had a few similar run-ins over the next few weeks and each time I felt relationships softening, even though I still wasn't sure if I even liked her.

One day I had forgotten to bring a pen to class and I was looking for a pen and I thought my friend was standing there and I asked him for a pen. But it wans't my friend, it was the girl and she gave me a pen! So smiled at me as I did so! It was then that I realized what I had thought had been annoyance had actually been a sexual attraction. I smiled back and from that day on we began talking to each other about our classes and even other things.

One day she was sitting near me talking to two girls she is friends with and I was listening. She was talking about how she was going to church after class to help out with a food collection for homeless people and asking if the two girls wanted to come. They both said they had prior engagements (I'm 99.9999% sure they were lying) and the girl looked sad. I instantly blurted out "I'll help you!" She looked surprised and her true friends looked at each other and I think rolled their eyes but I couldn't see. I quickly explained that I used to work at a soup kitchen with my aunt and I had experience and could be useful if things got tough with the homeless. She laughed (told you she was warming to me) and said she'd be fine but if I wanted to come along I was welcome. I knew it wasn't a date but I couldn't help feeling like it was!

We got on great at the church. I told her about all my experiences (with a few selective edits lol!) and she listened and I could tell she was seeing a new side to me and liking it. I went to the church with her several times after that. I worked really hard and it impressed her. We started hanging around each other all the time (at college and on the way to the church.) I eventually plucked up the courage to ask her if she wanted to do something outside of education/charity work and she said definitely when she wasn't too busy. I held her hand for a few moments after that.

But then I began to suspect she might be a Christian.

When I'd asked her how she'd found out about the food collection she'd said she'd learned it "at church". That was my first clue. My second clue came when one of our professors told a joke about Adam and Eve. Everyone in the class laughed (even the muslim guy I'm friends with!) but she just looked pissed off, like her old haughty self before I dressed her down in that corridor.

The thing is, a few months ago I was a gnostic and wouldn't have cared if she was a Christian, a jew or even a Satanist. But late last year my friend Karissa started sending me links to Richard Dawkings videos on YouTube and they changed my LIFE. Even though at first I thought he was just a jerk I came to find that the truths he spoked were undeniable and that all Christians are seriously deluded. I couldn't believe I was so passive about it before. I even plan on reading his books. Yes I believe in living and letting living, but if I'm going to date a girl then I have to be thinking long terms and there's no way I'd want to raise children with someone with who I have such fundamental differences with and whose beliefs I can't respect. And yet she is a really nice person and I really do love spending time with her. I even enjoy helping the needy when I'm around her. She makes everything feel good. But what do I do when religion comes up as it inevitably will? I don't want to hurt her by explaining why everything she believes in is wrong. What if she took it badly and didn't even except my arguments? But I can't be with her much longer with this huge elephant coming between us. I can feel it gnawing at me everytime I'm around her now. It's bound to come up soon!

What should I do? Has anyone here ever had a similar problem?

Did you ever consider that maybe she's pretending to be a Christian, as to see if you're a Christian also? For all I know, you could be pretending to be an atheist. Surely there's some kind of blood test or something.

Quick, somebody get Kurt Russel on the phone, he's pretty good with these type of tests.
 
I made the mistake of entering this thread and browsing through it. Now I'm bleeding from the ears.

Thanks, MadBaggins. Thanks a shitload. This damage feels like it's going to be permanent.
 
^ There is only one response for this: WORD!

I was hoping you were kidding, but obviouly not... Thanks a bunch, mate.
 
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