I officially began my journey through all Star Trek on October 9th...

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  1. Shalashaska

    Shalashaska Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I've actually had a desire to watch ENT these last few days.

    Great sign!
     
  2. Forbin

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    Oh that'll change.


    ;)
     
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  3. Shalashaska

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    Exams are in the past. Got all the free time in the world now, just me and my Blu-rays! :techman:

    That new intro is... awful. All I could do was laugh. Just when the song was starting to grow on me, they cook all the juices out and pour a whole bottle of ketchup on top. It's like they're trying to make it as annoying and bland as possible.

    First episode left a good impression though. Kind of DS9-esque storytelling (without the interesting characters) going from episode-to-episode cliffhanger-to-cliffhanger in a serialised war story. If they can keep this up, I think it'll make for easily the best season yet. As long as the show doesn't drown itself in its newfound edginess.

    EDIT: Forgot to mention, Trip and T'Pol have really great chemistry. I foresee a relationship between the two. Kind of like a gender reversal of the Worf - Dax relationship.
     
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  4. Shalashaska

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    Extinction is embarrassing.
     
  5. Shalashaska

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    Wow, Twilight!

    That was really good. Ambition, heart, action, an old confused man forgetting things then waking back up on the ship... it had it all! I'm enjoying season 3 so far but... this? Twilight might be my favourite episode of ENT yet.

    Moar of that plz.
     
  6. Shalashaska

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    Similitude is one of the few Star Trek episodes I can say I was holding back tears on.

    The premise isn't anything new. It reminded me a lot of Tuvix, VOY's stab at the idea of a clone or separate entity needing to make a sacrifice in order to save its equivalent primal self.

    ENT's attempt was handled a lot more gracefully, and they couldn't have done it at a better time in the show. The desperation of Archer to save his planet, the parental insecurities of Phlox, the budding romance between Trip and T'Pol, they all culminate in this one brilliant, deeply moving episode. Performances from the cast were great, the writing was great... another candidate for best episode of ENT yet. I loved it.
     
  7. Shalashaska

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    This should be renamed the "my personal gripes with Trek" thread. I'm about 3/4 way through season 3, I'm liking it, and therefore, I have nothing urgent to say.

    It's good! T'Pol is getting all emotional and it's fun. What else is there to say?
     
  8. JesterFace

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    I say this, season 3, the one that you're going though right now, is the best of ENT. :)
     
  9. Griffeytrek

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    It still amazes me what both the writers and Jolene Blalok managed to do with T'Pol over this series. From the start she should have been horrible. An adolescent Nerds catsuited alien fantasy with no redeeming values. Being played by a hot model. There is no way the character should have worked. And yet she ends up with one of the most interesting and compelling character arcs in all of Trek. And that carries through all the way to the end.

    You're probably closing on the end of Season 3. Be warned the tone and format changes a bit for season 4. They changes showrunners with Braga and Bergman being mainly isolated ( save the very end /shudder). The Coto's took over as showrunners. They did an excellent job, and I wish we could have gotten more. Season 4 switches from a full season storyline to shorter 2-3 episode connected story arcs. And it dials the nostalgic nerd porn up to 11.
     
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    Much as I generally dislike the whole series, I agree with this assessment exactly. I facepalmed when I first saw pictures of T'Pol, but Jolene did wonders with her.
     
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  11. Shalashaska

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    Season 3's officially a wrap!

    I definitely found it easier to get into than the previous two seasons, felt like it had some balls and heart to it for once.

    It was funny though, the Reptilians looked reeeally corny, not what you want for the big scary villain of the show, so the gloomy seriousness of it all came off a bit awkward. They looked like they came straight out of Power Rangers.

    It was definitely something different though, for the better. The show needed to bring a little variety and risk to the table, and that did the trick. War, death, pain, big doomsday device... mehhh, not exactly what I want in Trek, but the execution/writing was much improved from the first two seasons, partly down to all the character growth and development that went on. Archer went from generic captain man to more likeable captain man, T'Pol and Trip obviously had a thing, Reed and Hayes' relationship had a ton of development, Hoshi even got some time there at the end to do something. Only character left out was Travis, because fuck Travis!

    For all that, I give it a thumbs up.

    ON TO SEASON 4! Feels weird being this close to the finish line, but I'm excited (and slightly nervous). I'm curious to see what the hell that ending with the Nazis was.
     
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    I am doing my first watch of Enterprise too and I am just a few episodes into season 4 so right around you!

    I generally agree on season 3. It was a big improvement (from what I thought was a soul-crushingly boring season 2, although I did enjoy aspects of season 1). It goes big, smash, pulp extravaganza but at least there is continuity, there is risk, excitement, character growth. Ultimately I think Enterprise began to rely on action too much for my taste in season 2 and in season 3 this definitely continues. However, at least in season 3 the stakes feel higher.
    Archer goes so dark, though! What a growth from the naive optimist of season 1!
    The Xindi attack (i.e. 9/11) took its toll on that character. I find it quite fascinating actually.

    But yeah. The end of season 3. Um. Let's just say...space Nazis. That is what they chose and that is what you get. :wtf:
     
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    The first three episodes of Season 4 are the real (and in my opinion better) ending of Season 3. Sure, the space Nazis are kind of lame, but it works better than the big kaboom at the end of Zero Hour. (I didn't like how they abruptly wrapped up a certain long running Enterprise plot though. What a letdown.)

    I liked the rest of season 4, it's definitely above average for Enterprise, but some of the episodes feel padded with action (because of mini-arcs budgets I'm sure), and the Season focuses too much on Space Opera politics instead of interesting scifi concepts. And we shall NOT speak of that last "episode". It does not exist. It's fantasy. It did NOT happen.
     
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  14. DamarsKanar

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    I have heard so much hatred for that final episode of Enterprise that I am hoping that when I finally get to it, it simply can't be as bad as it has been hyped up to be.
    We shall see.....:eek:
     
  15. Forbin

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    As I recall, when they did the space Nazi finale, they had no idea how they'd resolve it the following season, and the new showrunner had to figure out WTF to do. :lol:
     
  16. Forbin

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    IMHO, it insults:
    Fans of Enterprise
    Fans of TNG
    Fans of certain TNG characters
    Fans of Trip Tucker
    Fans of a certain TNG episode
    Ron Moore
    Fans of good writing
    Good writers
    People with common sense
    People
    Television
    Science fiction

    But that may just be me.
     
  17. DamarsKanar

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    Oh...dear...
     
  18. Forbin

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    Rick Berman called it "A Valentine to fans."
    Jolene Blalock is reported to have responded, "Yeah, it's like saying I love you with an assf**k."

    But don't let that color your expectations. ;)
     
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    Ouch.
    :eek:
    Well, you are definitely helping to lower my expectations!
     
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  20. wayoung

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    I saw it for the first time last year when I did a full watch of enterprise after giving up in season two during its original run. I thought, as bad as Enterprise is, there is no way the finale can be as bad as people say.

    I was wrong.