"I like the new movie better..."

[Char Aznable]

So are you done with Star Trek or aren't you?

The truth is I'm sticking around awhile longer just to annoy you whenever I can.

I doubt you're capable of annoying anyone really (I'm more amused by your posts than anything). However, staying around just to annoy him only serves to make his point even more correct.

Congrats.

 

[Warped9]

So are you done with Star Trek or aren't you?

The truth is I'm sticking around awhile longer just to annoy you whenever I can.

I doubt you're capable of annoying anyone really (I'm more amused by your posts than anything). However, staying around just to annoy him only serves to make his point even more correct.

Congrats.

My mere presence annoys him.

 

[Dukhat]

My mere presence annoys him.

Methinks you're giving yourself too much credit.

 

[doubleohfive]

So are you done with Star Trek or aren't you?

The truth is I'm sticking around awhile longer just to annoy you whenever I can.

 

[Char Aznable]

So, in this thread we have warped9 telling us he's done with Star Trek because the franchise isn't going exactly as he wishes it to and even moreso because no one here is agreeing with him that the new movie is, "crap." However, despite his claiming to be done and engaging in an utterly impotent ragequit, he just can't let it go that people disagree with him about what Star Trek is. Now, his latest excuse to stick around and essentially go, "LOL I TROLL U," to number6 and likely others. I can only assume he does this under the false beliefs that his presence is somehow annoying to people who dissagree with him. This, despite him being the one prone to the old fashioned ragequit.

 

[Warped9]

No my presence is annoying primarily to number6. And that's fine.

 

[Char Aznable]

No my presence is annoying primarily to number6. And that's fine.

If you want. Still, you should always aim high. Y'know, like the people who made the critically and financially successful Star Trek XI.

Right now, you're trolling attempts are around TFF quality.

 

[Dukhat]

No my presence is annoying primarily to number6. And that's fine.

Yeah, I'm sure he's gonna lose just TONS of sleep about that.

 

[number6]

I just had a nap.

 

[darkshadow0001]

So, in this thread we have warped9 telling us he's done with Star Trek because the franchise isn't going exactly as he wishes it to and even moreso because no one here is agreeing with him that the new movie is, "crap." However, despite his claiming to be done and engaging in an utterly impotent ragequit, he just can't let it go that people disagree with him about what Star Trek is. Now, his latest excuse to stick around and essentially go, "LOL I TROLL U," to number6 and likely others. I can only assume he does this under the false beliefs that his presence is somehow annoying to people who dissagree with him. This, despite him being the one prone to the old fashioned ragequit.

That's odd, I still love it no matter what.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

The truth is I'm sticking around awhile longer just to annoy you whenever I can...

That's not even close to true, but I suppose it saves face...

 

[number6]

The truth is I'm sticking around awhile longer just to annoy you whenever I can...

That's not even close to true, but I suppose it saves face...

Are you kidding?? That's probably the most sincere statement he's made here in months!

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

No, it's an excuse.

In fact, he's the one who's annoyed - because people keep reminding him of what he's said days after the excitement of getting a little attention has worn off. What do you do for an encore, after a ragequit?

 

[Kirk1980]

........ what's this thread about again?

 

[Warped9]

The truth is I'm sticking around awhile longer just to annoy you whenever I can...

That's not even close to true, but I suppose it saves face...

Are you kidding?? That's probably the most sincere statement he's made here in months!

FINALLY! We reach!

It's cool, man.

 

[number6]

I think this thread is about insulting people who dared to enjoy the new film, even if they decide to check out the other shows and movies as a result.

I don't see the problem in people becoming Star Trek fans as a result of seeing this new film.

And what of it?

 

[Devon]

Link?

http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=4404569&postcount=101

Let's discuss...

Top 100 poll for Sci Fi at Rotten Tomatoes, for example, has THREE of them listed (TWOK, FC, and TVH), and nary a mention of 09 Trek.

The Only "Top 100 Sci Fi" list that I'm aware and can find anything from Rotten Tomatoes was published two years before (almost to the day) Star Trek XI came out:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/features/special/2007/scifi/

This one has TWOK, TUC, and 09, but 09 is well down the list beneath the first two: http://totalscifionline.com/features/3809-the-100-greatest-sci-fi-movies

Hey at least it made it to the list, what of the other 8 films in the franchise history?

This one has TWOK, TUC, TSFS, INS, NEM, TFF but no 09: http://www.flickchart.com/Charts.aspx?genre=Sci-Fi+Action

That's because Flickchart didn't categorize Star Trek as a "Sci-Fi Action Film," it's under "Science Fiction" and "Space Adventure." Flickchart's global charting, however, ranks Star Trek as the 59th highest rated film, far above it's Trek runner up, The Wrath of Khan, which is globally ranked 353. It's the 12th highest rated Science Fiction film of all time based on their user rankings, and the highest rated Science Fiction film of 2009.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I think this thread is about insulting people who dared to enjoy the new film, even if they decide to check out the other shows and movies as a result.

Well, now, this topic was actually started by someone relating a positive experience regarding the film - that he knew people who preferred it to oldTrek. So that's what it's about. There've been posters who consider that the mere existence of the topic is a troll to old-timers.

The truth is, if we've listened with open minds to many people about the movie we've all heard others express the opinion that they like it better. It's unavoidable - so many more people have seen this movie and liked it, most of them non-fans, than have bothered with oldTrek for a very long time. Why shouldn't they prefer this?

The frustration on the part of folks who find this unacceptable is pretty simple: they're not getting what they want. Intuitively most of them understand that they're never going to get what they want, because it's not in the interests of anyone involved to give them what they want. And the implication there - which is pretty much justified - is that they can't have what they're asking for because in may respects it's not good enough. It's not sophisticated enough, not ambitious enough as a production, not entertaining enough to impress or attract a new audience.

It didn't even have enough juice left to hold on to the audience it had two decades ago.

So the reflex is to find fault with the audience, with young people, and with the majority. We used to call this phenomenon "everybody's out of step but Johnny."

 

[JarodRussell]

And the implication there - which is completely justified - is that they can't have what they're asking for because it's not good enough. It's not sophisticated enough, not ambitious enough, not entertaining enough to impress or attract a new audience.

But that's the erroneous notion that upsets many of those who didn't like the movie. Most people who like the movie (including the writers of course) present it like it was the ONLY possible solution. Which isn't true. Can't be proven, though, since nobody else is capable of trying, or will be allowed to try.

And if the next movie gets better, you will see that many who hated this movie will change their mind. Because right now, it just seems that the next movie will be exactly like this one (and that the writers think and say "We don't care because there are so many other people who think otherwise." to those who didn't like the movie). That upsets a fans (as in fanatic) just as much as it would upset a homeless person when a politician says: "Listen, I don't care, because 250 million other people have a home."

And ironically, if the next movie gets worse, you will see that many people who vividly defended this movie will turn around and suddenly say "I saw it coming." That happened a lot of times already in the history of movies and their fans.

It didn't even have enough juice left to hold on to the audience it had two decades ago.

This is funny, a couple of comments ago people argued that it was so successful because of the Star Trek fans, and not because of a new audience.

 

[Warped9]

And the implication there - which is completely justified - is that they can't have what they're asking for because it's not good enough. It's not sophisticated enough, not ambitious enough, not entertaining enough to impress or attract a new audience.

But that's the erroneous notion that upsets many of those who didn't like the movie. Most people who like the movie (including the writers of course) present it like it was the ONLY possible solution. Which isn't true. Can't be proven, though, since nobody else is capable of trying, or will be allowed to try.

And if the next movie gets better, you will see that many who hated this movie will change their mind. Because right now, it just seems that the next movie will be exactly like this one (and that the writers think and say "We don't care because there are so many other people who think otherwise." to those who didn't like the movie). That upsets a fans (as in fanatic) just as much as it would upset a homeless person when a politician says: "Listen, I don't care, because 250 million other people have a home."

And ironically, if the next movie gets worse, you will see that many people who vividly defended this movie will turn around and suddenly say "I saw it coming." That happened a lot of times already in the history of movies.

Succinctly put. This film wasn't the only way to do a Star Trek movie and be successful. But since this film made money then the likelihood of another approach being taken is extremely small.

A common gripe against critics of the film is that we won't accept anything new or that if it isn't exactly like what came before then we won't accept it. But that's an erroneous assumption or (for some people) a ploy to discredit the dissenter's view. Anyone reasonable knows things can never be like the way they once were---that's self-evident.

It's like we're unable to communicate what aspects of the original we would like to see respected and integrated into a new version. And, of course, this is where many part ways because while some see respect for the original subject matter others see gross disrespect.

I've also seen a tendency to really ride down something that people loved for a very long time. Star Trek isn't where it is today because TOS was bad. The entire franchise is founded on TOS reaching and connecting with a lot of people. It's the foundation that led to more films and spinoff series. But I look around and part of the defense of the new film is to dump on TOS and broadly state, "That doesn't work anymore."

I take serious issue with that because although there are many things in TOS you would have to do differently today there is also a great deal that is just as good today as it was then. And many of those things are precisely what some of us see lacking in the new film.

ST09 wasn't the only way to do a new Trek film. But it was the easiest way. The fact that it made a lot of money doesn't wash away its failings.