Um... Yeah. Sure. The Orville stories are better thought out and written than 90% of TNG eps.
I hope the Picard series is good
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Um... Yeah. Sure. The Orville stories are better thought out and written than 90% of TNG eps.
They are just as poorly thought out, but with dick jokes and great big dollops of nostalgia..
While I definitely don't think PIC will be "TNG 2.0" - there are a few things I hope they lift over from the writing of TNG:
- Writing specifically for Patrick Stewart's acting capability. The short teaser we got already hinted at that (that joke really only worked because Stewart sold it). You can see that in early TNG, when Picard is just the straight man - it really doesn't work. But once they figured it out, they had him both do incredible dramatic acting to deliver some serious heavy stuff (Chain of Command, Family, Inner Light) - but also put him in increasingly absurd and humorous situations, from the Q shenannigans to him having to deliver poets to a Ferengi for Lwaxanna, and got some Leslie Nielson-grade comedy out of him
- Don't fall into the "hard type making hard choices"-trope - Picard is the posterchild for a man ruled by ethics and compassion, and he never sacrificed that. And that - like Captain America when handled well - can work incredibly powerfull especially in morally complicated or ambiguous situations.
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If you can look past the dick jokes and obvious nostalgia, you'll find the writing is 100x better than TNG ever thought to be. I'm feel sorry for you that can't appreciate that.
Not too put too fine a point on it - but DIS also did the Klingon two-dicks joke.
And tried to get in on that elevator gag from Orville + sneeze jokes. Y'know...high brow stuff.
Two whole scenes...yup, that hurts...Not too put too fine a point on it - but DIS also did the Klingon two-dicks joke.
And tried to get in on that elevator gag from Orville + sneeze jokes. Y'know...high brow stuff.
Rewatching All Good things Q said Picard future is charting the human Mind, I’d like Q to show up on this show
I'm not exactly sure if that last part of your statement was meant as some sort of personal insult toward me, but I'll let the mods deal with that.
Please no Q and no Klingons. I know I'm wishing for a lot but I really don't need either of them.
Especially given Trek's history.
It all depends on how it is handled. Some swearing is played up for laughs ("double dumb ass on you," Data's "Oh, shit!") and the like. But, I think the idea of swearing just being thrown in just for laughs in DSC or in the Picard show is, odd, to say the least.
Especially given Trek's history.
I'd like to think that you're not insulting other posters, because you wouldn't want to earn another Warning, which is where more of this is liable to lead.
It's only a double standard assuming that the ability and willingness of the actor is the only factor. What would people say about Kirk if TVH or TFF was the last movie or show for 15 years? We had TUC released during the run of TNG, with Kirk making peace with his greatest enemies at the end of his career, and Shatner giving a final captain's log where he all but explicitly passes his legacy on to Stewart. Stewart's outro, the planned and canceled sequel to Nemesis, didn't even happen.
Plus, the TNG movies were made hot on the heels of the series ending. This is Picard (and the 24th century Prime Universe setting in general) coming back after having been away for awhile, as TMP was to TOS.
Could not disagree more. Disco is so shallow. It has had good moments but not very many great ones.
Though in fairness, the first two seasons of TNG & DS9 were pretty rocky as well. Hopefully DISCO follows a similar path of improvement.
For me, TV only: TNG > TOS > DS9 > VOY > ENT > DISCO > TAS.
After two seasons: TOS > VOY > TNG > DISCO > ENT > DS9 > TAS.
TNG won Emmy's. That is fact, not sentiment.
And to the best of your knowledge, when was the last time there was a "dick joke" in the dialog of The Orville?
Merde.
The last episode I watched.
*insert "You're missing out!"* argument here.
Yes, yes, I know. Orville has done some great episodes, but the humor has pretty much bombed out for me, and it is not for me. I will likely revisit it at one point in time or another, but thus far, it has been just ok, for me.
Hiiii-larious. Given that I had no idea what the word meant and had to look it up. So, yeah, that humor worked so well there since the joke had to be explained.
I wouldn't mind seeing a Star Trek series that's actually a comedy. Making The Orville so it's more like TNG basically means it's more like something that's not my cup of tea. That might make it "better" but not better in the direction of what might get me to watch. I want to see the Star Trek version of Spaceballs not "TNG with Average Joes".
What I like about the concept of Picard is plucking the character out of TNG and the '80s/'90s episodic format that's geared toward the Family Audience.
What I like about the concept of Picard is plucking the character out of TNG and the '80s/'90s episodic format that's geared toward the Family Audience.
Around 1x Seasons 1-2 of TNG is closer to the truth, which is why I show little appreciation for this latter-day photocopy with added rude scrawlings in the margins.
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The 11th ep of season 2.
