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I hope the Picard series is good

NewHeavensNewEarth said:
The question is: will Picard be dropping the "F" bomb? :eek: Many folks seem liberated to let loose with obscenities as they get older.
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I hear in the first episode we see a flashback of when he quits Starfleet. He is so angry because they won't help the Romulan refuges that he walks into Admiral RIker's office, takes a poop on it and says "Fuck Starfleet" while giving Riker the middle finger as he walks back out and while throwing his Starfleet combadge, angrily at a wall.


Jason
 
A flashback to Picard's days on the Stargazer.
"So, Jack. You and that doctor fucking yet?"
"Jean-Luc! That's hardly appropriate!"
"Chill the fuck out, or I'll assign you to the next away team beaming into a warzone."
 
My main hope is that it will be Mike Stoklasa's vision of Star Trek: Galaxy.

My main fear is that it will be to the Star Trek franchise as Class was to the Whoniverse.
 
Cyrus said:
If you expect TNG 2.0 I guarantee you will be disappointed. They have explicitly said they are not doing that.
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That teaser more than sets up crystal clear that "TNG2.0" it ain't. Makes ya wonder if seeing Picard get treated like, say, Luke Skywalker in Last Jedi or Kirk in Generations or Scotty in Relics or Spock in Unification or Uhura and Chekov and Sulu in TFF and TUC (the list goes on and on and on) was what got Sir Patrick "I'm done playing Picard" Stewart back. Even then, the trope is not the issue in of itself. The execution is what probably piqued his interest and it can still be very cool and epic. I'm not going to dis it just yet but am hoping it's not lackadaisically trite in how they use the trope.

Phily B said:
I'm liking Discovery. But I really think they made a huge mistake with the entire concept of it having such grandoise ideas. Imagine DS9 had started with the Dominion War instead of it being built towards? It just seems like everything on Discovery is leading towards something really important to the entire galaxy or universe all the time. I don't hate Discovery by any stretch, but honestly? I'm still working my way through Season 2 and it has never grabbed me to just watch episode after episode. Better than Voyager certainly, but still.....it doesn't "feel right" a lot of the time.

The Picard teaser though? Something just "felt right".
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DSC's potential is there, but in execution it's been all over the map. Are they on their 7th showrunner by now? 7's a lucky number, right? I recall they're still on their 5th but that many in two seasons - the show's got problems regardless of potential and of what works...

If DS9 did the mirror universe (MU) and big war right off the bat, it'd rightly be seen as fanservice. The MU is still pointless and grotesque fanservice but at least they waited to establish characters. But on the flip side, mirrorland or not, to reveal a major character as infiltrating from another dimension - that's conceptually cool. But DSC has pulled the "let's drink from the pool of TOS tropes and co-opt it as if we did it first" way too often and all we're getting is the stench of belch. Urrrrrrrrp.

At least Voyager was made during the Trek Burnout of the latter half of the 1990s. It too shares similarities to DSC - such as a squandered premise - but VOY's other "it's not so bad despite it being bad" is that it's not a prequel. Prequels never get the needed flavor down pat. As much as there are many shows and stories that even deserve prequels, chances are more than high something would be goofed up during their making, either because they don't truly understand the spirit of the piece or they're just piggybacking on nostalgia to cash in. What needed to be told before Kirk's time (or Pike's) to close narrative gaps in Trek's universe? (Nothing, for either example though I'll admit Pike had more potential, and do note it was straw clutching with Archer's era as well, there was nothing that needed to really be told and what was told was no better than what Star Wars' "Solo" movie was fumbling over but at least the one key 'fanservice' scene was teasing a possibly big and cool thing had a sequel been made. They almost got it right and while it's supposition I suspect it's down to the bringing in of Ron Howard and reshooting a huge percentage of the film, but I digress... ) BSG2004 was the only exception to what increasingly seems to be a rule and amazingly it got greenlit after that awful miniseries because full seasons 1 and 2 of BSG2004 did the impossible and getting it just about right (I still prefer the alien species' robots coming to kill all humans instead of the Dr Frankenstein motif but the show made up for it.)

NewHeavensNewEarth said:
The question is: will Picard be dropping the "F" bomb? :eek: Many folks seem liberated to let loose with obscenities as they get older.
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Just wait 60 years for Tilly. They can do a very special time travel episode where they see her future self and then they outdo the record for saying crude words on television that South Park set. What was that, 162 times in a 30 minute (or 20 minute sans commercials) episode?!
 
King Daniel Beyond said:
I'd say the Disco writers have smashed it as far as consistency is concerned, and turned out some solid gold at the same time. Picard isn't going to be a return to TNG-style storytelling. That's what The Orville is for. Picard is gonna take the fomer captain on an emotional last adventure, which is something they've shown themselves more than capable of after Disco season 2.
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I must be living in a Mirror universe, any way your Discovery writers can make their way to this universe? Because in this universe, the writing is a trainwreck. :rofl:
 
Cutie McWhiskers said:
BSG2004 was the only exception to what increasingly seems to be a rule and amazingly it got greenlit after that awful miniseries because full seasons 1 and 2 of BSG2004 did the impossible and getting it just about right
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It's a given we disagree about Discovery, no need to a beat a dead horse anymore...

... but the BSG mini-series is "awful"? Seriously? :wtf:

We really do have incompatible tastes.
 
Honestly, as (not a TNG fan), who has never revisited it since Generations (i'll never forgive them..... for the death of Kirk).... the whole thing just is making me rather resentful. For years a lot of people have stuck to the idea that Kirk's time and place were done, that Shatner was done, that he had his show and movies, and it was time to leave it behind. Shatner was never offered another chance to play his character in anything but cameos and parodies. Stewarts time has come, he had his show and movies.... yet everyone is cheering and jumping on the wagon like its the second coming. Double standards piss me off.

I saw Shatner in person at a WoK screening last year and saw him on Better Late Than Never.... He has aged wonderfully and if its good for one it should have been good for the other.
 
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Phoenix219 said:
Honestly, as (not a TNG fan), who has never revisited it since Generations (i'll never forgive them..... for the death of Kirk).... the whole thing just is making my rather resentful. For years a lot of people have stuck to the idea that Kirk's time and place were done, that Shatner was done, that he had his show and movies, and it was time to leave it behind. Shatner was never offered another chance to play is character in anything but cameos and parodies. Stewarts time has come, he had his show and movies.... yet everyone is cheering and jumping on the wagon like its the second coming. Double standards piss me off.
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In fairness, three out of four TNG movies sucked. So Picard has to make up for that.
 
The Wormhole said:
Everyone on this forum is going to watch this show. There are some who will claim they're only hate-watching it, but hate-watching something is still watching it.
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Well, I’ll watch it when the Blu-rays come out, but doubtfully before that.

And the “F-bomb?” Even South Park realized that too much of that isn’t funny anymore. Too bad the DSC writers didn’t get that memo. Hopefully STP has figured that out.
 
TommyR01D said:
My main fear is that it will be to the Star Trek franchise as Class was to the Whoniverse.
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That doesn't really make any sense as a comparison - Class would work as a comparison if it featured *regularly* The Doctor or another significant character. Class was intended as a seperate IP which they rammed in a couple of Dr. Who elements.

People can like Picard or Hate it - but it's the real deal as far as Trek is concerned.
 
Dukhat said:
Well, I’ll watch it when the Blu-rays come out, but doubtfully before that.

And the “F-bomb?” Even South Park realized that too much of that isn’t funny anymore. Too bad the DSC writers didn’t get that memo. Hopefully STP has figured that out.
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Swearing isn't actually just for shits and giggles on shows for grown ups, I mean, if you watch them.
 
Dave Scarpa said:
because so far the writers responsible for Discovery haven’t come close to anything TNG.

I watched tonight a marathon of the end of season 4’s Redemption two parter and Darmok and Ensign Ro. When you watch vintage TNG you really see how shallow Discovery was. Klingon’s culture really defined itself in that arc, Darmok was a fantastic alien episode, and Ensign Ro, with fantastic performances from Michelle Forbes and Patrick Stewart confront possibly a Section 31 scenario. A fantastic start to season 5 one of my favorite seasons of Star Trek
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I really disagree with this. I don't think any part of what you said supports the notion that Discovery is shallow by comparison.

Part of why we hold TNG in such high esteem is due to the sentimental value the series has. And you can't even compare that to a series that is less than two years old. That's pretty unfair.
 
On the one hand, I love Discovery, but I don't want Picard to mimic it in themes and tone. If we can have more Star Trek series, then we can afford them being different.

On the other hand, I absolutely don't want Picard to be another rehash of TNG. It was always a bland, formulaic, slow-paced thing for me, something to have on the TV in the background on weekend mornings as we were preparing lunch. One of the main problems with TNG for me was how it was almost never about the characters; they could've been the POV characters in each others' episodes with only changing a few lines here and there. I'm glad that the new series would actually explore Picard's life from a more personal perspective.

He was a role model for me for the majority of my teenage years, but it has become very hard for me to relate to him lately as he was always just the wise and cool captain who always knew the answers and found the best choices, kicking ass with words instead of phasers. As I've begun rediscovering my emotionality, I've increasingly found that he's been more of a larger-than-life superhero, a personification of diplomatic butt-kicking and inspirational speech-giving, and ultimately, I'll have to admit, a cool meme, than a role model I could realistically look up to and strive to become similar to. I'm very glad that a new Star Trek installment will finally offer a chance to humanize him for me. Instead of Picard, the God of Speech, I'd rather see Picard the Man. The man behind the legend.
 
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