I have to admit something: I didn't hate "Sub Rosa"
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I had trouble with the whole... Dr. Crusher getting possibly raped in one scene and resigning her Starfleet commission in the next.
But, then I was a kid when I first saw it and I've made a point to avoid it since. Plus, like the Twilight books/movies... I don't think I was the target audience for this episode.
But, then I was a kid when I first saw it and I've made a point to avoid it since. Plus, like the Twilight books/movies... I don't think I was the target audience for this episode.
I never understood why that episode was so disliked. It's the perfect Trek episode to watch on Halloween, it's so deliciously gothic. If they can do Sherlock Holmes or the Wild West, why not this? Popular opinion is overrated as a tastemaker.
This. It seems fairly predictable to me at this point, that certain episodes, like "emergence", "masks", "phantasms", people gravitate towards, or are repelled by, seemingly hung up by the razor of their own intellect, missing other layers of information, being so caught up in dualities.
Doesn't make anyone's observance more/less true. A painting looks different from different angles and distances. If someone dislikes something, and describes their pov in detail and all their reasons for dislike, etc., plot holes! , and blah blahblah, then anyone viewing from that angle will tend to agree...
...I like Sub Rosa on first viewing a few years ago, haven't watched since....a nice diversion, character development for BC, I think it made my B list....
Yeah, Trek episodes based around grocery store romance novels make for riveting TV.
I don't think that is such a bad thing. Not every hour of Trek has to be the "high concept" or "intellectually superior". That is what Trek does best: Dramatic stories with a sci-fi setting. But there is rooms for all types and sometimes it is nice to get a little "cotton candy" missed in break up the average. All drooling about Dr. Crusher aside, one of the things I liked is that it was a different, more "b-movie" sort of episode; it was a very TOS type story.
A TOS in Season 3 type story, maybe.
I've no problem when Trek breaks the mold and does something of a "high concept" story (see: The Inner Light.) But when that story is practically straight out of a $5 romance novel bought at the Apple Market in 1983, then you've got problems. I mean Beverly's family has been haunted by this alien creature for decades (centuries?)! She reads her grandmother's freaking porn-filled diary and gets off on it! The graveyard scene near the end was done pretty well but the episode was mostly filled with boring crap and "ghost-story/romance" that, frankly, probably didn't interest your typical Star Trek viewer if you consider the ramifications of what this being means it really mucks up the history of Star Trek universe and Beverly's family history and then you've got the ridiculous broad stereotypes in it.
I've no problem when Trek breaks the mold and does something of a "high concept" story (see: The Inner Light.) But when that story is practically straight out of a $5 romance novel bought at the Apple Market in 1983, then you've got problems. I mean Beverly's family has been haunted by this alien creature for decades (centuries?)! She reads her grandmother's freaking porn-filled diary and gets off on it! The graveyard scene near the end was done pretty well but the episode was mostly filled with boring crap and "ghost-story/romance" that, frankly, probably didn't interest your typical Star Trek viewer if you consider the ramifications of what this being means it really mucks up the history of Star Trek universe and Beverly's family history and then you've got the ridiculous broad stereotypes in it.
~shrug~ I thought it was fun little episode. Sure it wasn't aimed at us [the fans] but it was still a nice little "short story".
I had a feeling of Deja Vu hearing Crusher say: "Whooooo aaaarrreee yooouuu?"
Which is why she's given credit in the closing credits... I.e. - they were trying to avoid a lawsuit.
I just watched this episode yesterday. I actually had my finger on the button to skip it when I found out which episode it was...but then I couldn't remember how the whole "ghost" thing played out, and ended up watching it. I just couldn't take it seriously, and kept commenting on how CREEPY it was when Beverly was talking about being in love with her dead grandmother's lover. Gross! Poor Deanna, it must be hard to know what to say when suddenly your best friend starts saying things like that! First she's like so envious of her, then she's totally creeped out by her!
and I LOLed @ the Beverly masturbation scene AND the granny rising from the grave. It's a pretty ridiculous episode.
and I LOLed @ the Beverly masturbation scene AND the granny rising from the grave. It's a pretty ridiculous episode.
Yeah, Beverly's talking about falling for her grandmother's dead lover, and getting off on reading her grandmother's diary. Deanna should have just said, "Okay, Bev. I know it's the 24th century and we're all enlightened and open-minded and stuff but Jesus there's still limits!"
It's definitely got a lot of camp value. It's bad, but totally watchable to laugh at.
Yeah, because we all know that "Star Trek viewers" are single nerdy males obsessed with continuity who are not interested in icky girly things like romance novels and stuff. Talk about stereotyping.
I have no strong love for the episode (in fact, I consider it one of the silliest episodes of TNG), but we all like different things. There is enough room in Star Trek for all kind of stories.
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