I have a feeling I know who Future Guy was...

[new_mercury]

I thought it was the cigarette smoking man but with nicotine patches

Seriously will we ever know who it was. I never really got fully into the TCW the same I did the dominion war but I hate loose ends (i.e. Crusade) and I hate unsolved mysteries (it's the Sherlock Holmes fan part of me)

 

[Guy Gardener]

You are all away that Future guy was in 6 episodes out of 97 episodes in the entire run, and 4 of those episodes are two parters, so really he was in 4 stories?

And Silik was in 8 spisodes? Just the Stormfront two parter under orders from Future guy to mess shit up?

There were 90 episode or so of Enterprise which had nothing to do with the Temporal Cold War... The one with Dean Stockman kinda counts, so really it's not an arc or even a consideration worth mentioning than anything else epic that happened in just a couple or a single episodes.

 

[Kalen Archer]

^ I see your point, but the pilot centered on the TCW, and the storyline was introduced as being an important running theme during the series, or at least the first two seasons anyway.

I don't think Storm Front wrapped it up adequately; I would have preferred Future Guy's identity to be revealed, or at least strongly hinted at, with an explanation for his motives. A final confrontation between Archer and Future Guy might have been interesting.

 

[MeanJoePhaser]

Since Future Guy can't be contacted in SHOCKWAVE part 2, that indicates that Future Guy is either Daniels or Archer.

Come on, this is fiction, the odds of it being someone we know are greater than it being someone we don't know.

 

[Noname Given]

MeanJoePhaser said:
Since Future Guy can't be contacted in SHOCKWAVE part 2, that indicates that Future Guy is either Daniels or Archer.

Come on, this is fiction, the odds of it being someone we know are greater than it being someone we don't know.

No, it just means that the timeline was altered enough so FG no longer existed - and gives credence that he was somehow tied to the United Federation of Planets since it no longer ever existed either.

 

[startrekwatcher]

I had read Brannon tied the Xindi attack with the TCW in the season two finale as a way to keep the TCW alive and the season long arc would have provided the time to develop and explore the TCW giving it the epic stature something like that should be given.

And that really was a pretty good idea. The addition of the faction aiding the Xindi would have expanded the sides in the conflict. The Suliban would have an excuse to make appearances and with the arc they could stick around for more than an episode allowing for some interaction. The Tholians are used to weird space so the Expanse would have been ideal to bring them in.

Also with the devastating attack on Earth Archer would be so infuriated about being drawn into a time war not of his doing that it would require answers. The writers could finally reveal FG's identity etc.

But it looked like along the way they backed off from tying it to the TCW and instead played it off as an isolated incident that just happened to involve extra-dimensional time travelers.

 

[cooleddie74]

This would be perfect fodder for the next large-scale ENTERPRISE novel that gets written. It won't be official or canonical, but the new book could reveal at the end who Future Guy was and what his hidden agenda was supposed to be.

 

[Saul]

startrekwatcher said:
The thing is just because someone from the future wants a tragic event to occur doesn't mean they are bad guys. For all we know Archer and the NX were never suppose to have survived and all Daniels was doing was preserving history.

But considering what we know from Events in Shockwave and what Daniels has shown. No Archer = No Federation. So It doesn't make sense for Danials to allow Archer to die when he holds him as such an important figure to History. But with most things in Enterprise, this makes no sense. By Cold Front they had no idea where they were going with this.

I too would like to see the Novels take this on at some stages although I believe they are keeping clear of it for the long term.

 

[startrekwatcher]

saul said:
But considering what we know from Events in Shockwave and what Daniels has shown. No Archer = No Federation. So It doesn't make sense for Danials to allow Archer to die when he holds him as such an important figure to History.

And Daniels never allowed Archer to die. There was no indication that Daniels was ever going to let the NX blow up in Cold Front. All we know is Silik beat him to saving the NX. IIRC Daniels was in the mess hall and had a stunned surprise on his face when the discharge was occurring. It looked to me like he didn't expect that to occur.

You also have to consider that with so much temporal interfernce occurring who is to say that at one moment FG needs the Federation and then at another because of various changes in history that he no longer needs him or that Archer is still key to the Federation. Just because Archer was important in one timeline doesn't mean in another that he is still important.

 

[pookha]

one thing to remember is that daniels future was probably altered after zero hour. in his future the sphere system and the expanse still existed. earth had not been destroyed since the xindi had not attacked;
but the sphere network had not been destroyed.

and yeah things probably went into flux after daniels took archer in shockwave. because when daniels had been a steward on the ship we had already seen daniels twice so if daniels and fg were the same one would probably be a clone.

 

[Saul]

startrekwatcher said:

saul said:
But considering what we know from Events in Shockwave and what Daniels has shown. No Archer = No Federation. So It doesn't make sense for Danials to allow Archer to die when he holds him as such an important figure to History.

And Daniels never allowed Archer to die. There was no indication that Daniels was ever going to let the NX blow up in Cold Front. All we know is Silik beat him to saving the NX. IIRC Daniels was in the mess hall and had a stunned surprise on his face when the discharge was occurring. It looked to me like he didn't expect that to occur.

But we can't be sure that was his intention. Archer asked him if Enterprise was supposed to be destroyed in that overload. Daniels couldn't give him a straight answer.

pookha said:
one thing to remember is that daniels future was probably altered after zero hour. in his future the sphere system and the expanse still existed. earth had not been destroyed since the xindi had not attacked;
but the sphere network had not been destroyed.

that wasn't Daniels timeline though. He was from the 31st Century. The events he showed Archer were in the 26th.

 

[startrekwatcher]

saul said:He was from the 31st Century. The events he showed Archer were in the 26th.

Daniels showed Archer the Battle of Procyon V in the 26th century. Daniels might not be from the 26th century but that conflict was in fact part of his history that led to his time period.

But once Archer destroyed the sphere network in Zero Hour Daniels timeline that he knew as being the correct one ceased to exist since the Sphere Builder threat was neutralized in the 22nd century. Without the ever-growing Expanse, there could not be a Sphere Builder invasion hence no Battle at Procyon V hence Daniels time period would have been affected in certain ways.

 

[galleywest]

cooleddie74 said:
This would be perfect fodder for the next large-scale ENTERPRISE novel that gets written. It won't be official or canonical, but the new book could reveal at the end who Future Guy was and what his hidden agenda was supposed to be.

Oh, how I would love to see this. LOVE to see this. What a great idea!

 

[pookha]

startrekwatcher said:

saul said:He was from the 31st Century. The events he showed Archer were in the 26th.

Daniels showed Archer the Battle of Procyon V in the 26th century. Daniels might not be from the 26th century but that conflict was in fact part of his history that led to his time period.

But once Archer destroyed the sphere network in Zero Hour Daniels timeline that he knew as being the correct one ceased to exist since the Sphere Builder threat was neutralized in the 22nd century. Without the ever-growing Expanse, there could not be a Sphere Builder invasion hence no Battle at Procyon V hence Daniels time period would have been affected in certain ways.

yes thank you ..that was the point i was trying to make.

a fun theory i had for daniels was that he was a bit of merlin.
that the first time we see in cold front could actually be him later for him then we see in say zero hour.

there is an interesting line in cold front about ..

That's because I'm not a member of Starfleet. Not that I wouldn't be honoured to be one, sir, especially after spending time

and then archer cuts him off.

remember cold front is pretty early on.
wonder about the time daniels ment.

 

[Guy Gardener]

C'mon!

Enterprise had been in space at least 6 months by that point. Archer would have noticed someone new showing up on the crew rotation suddenly. Especially the guy serving him dinner every night, if he wasn't on the original crew manifest he shortlisted or approved? That's ages to get... D'Ya think Daniels was screwing anyone? Keeping it in his pants for six months? It can get real lonely and cold in deep space.

Daniels who thought Enterprise should blow up died. Time rewrote itself creating a new 31st century and a new Daniels who's existence was contingent on Enterprise surviving. Daniels II was most certainly aware of Daniel's I terminal adventure because it was part of his history.

Silik could not communicate with Future Guy in Shockwave because Future guys power base was contingent on humanity cofounding the Federation, so even if he was temporally shielded or in a transitional state like Daniels and Archer were escaping the temporal editing process... Maybe the Romulans won the earth/Romulan War? Maybe the casualties were so different, different Romulans bonked to make different babies for the next nine hundred years... It's a clue that Future Guy was Romulan or "Federation" all because of that book about the war.

 

[sbk1234]

Isn't Future Guy Peter Griffin? Huh? Oh, I thought you said Family Guy. Sorry.

 

[pookha]

Enterprise had been in space at least 6 months by that point. Archer would have noticed someone new showing up on the crew rotation suddenly. Especially the guy serving him dinner every night, if he wasn't on the original crew manifest he shortlisted or approved? That's ages to get... D'Ya think Daniels was screwing anyone? Keeping it in his pants for six months? It can get real lonely and cold in deep space.

guy you missed my point and didnt think of what time is to a time traveler.

yes daniels did ship out with the rest of the crew.

but it dosnt mean that say he came 3050 to go back during the time of zero hour.
he could them say in 3052 go back to the time that enterprise was launched.

 

[ChristopherPike]

sbk1234 said:
Isn't Future Guy Peter Griffin? Huh? Oh, I thought you said Family Guy. Sorry.

I'd totally love to see an ENT reference in Family Guy.


[*]Stewie: "Urgh. This is even more frustrating than that time the fat man asked who that shadowy fellow was on Enterprise."

[*]Peter: "Sooooo... errr... what was the deal with you again? I mean, I am going to find out who you are by the time this gets cancelled, right?"

[*]Future Guy's silhouette shrugs, muttering under his breath: "I unno".


Sometimes in my wildest fantasies, I imagine Enterprise might actually return long enough to reveal who the heck the Silik's "mysterious benefactor" was.

5 minutes online reading fan consensus about the show soon snaps me out of it though!

 

[Saul]

startrekwatcher said:

saul said:He was from the 31st Century. The events he showed Archer were in the 26th.

Daniels showed Archer the Battle of Procyon V in the 26th century. Daniels might not be from the 26th century but that conflict was in fact part of his history that led to his time period.

Actually there is no proof of that what so ever. Daniels said that those events aren't suppoed to happen. Daniels seems to be outside of the timeline and these events don't directly effect his timeline since it's an alternate one.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Daniels may be out of time but his home isn't as seen in Shockwave.

As much as I think Daniels is evil, I also think it's more and possible that it's just as likely that he was using reverse psychology to make Archer jump through hoops just so, because Johnny is almost as smart as a monkey.