I don't think STV is that terrible

[LOKAI of CHERON]

"Lokai is white on the right side. All of his people are white on the right side."

Is that you, Bele?

 

[22 Stars]

I'll admit I did watch it also, but only so I'd know what I was talking about if I ever wanted to participate in a discussion about it. I'm also a big believer in not complaining or criticizing a movie till I've seen it.

That said, the underlying attempt at deeper meaning of the storyline and the characterization in Sucker Punch is sorely lacking and mostly troubling in its view of women.

In short, its a turd.

Well said, it really is tripe, and offensive in so many ways. Watched it with my wife, and we are both gamers, both into steam punk and all the geek culture involved and were appalled!

Arkham City is a better movie than Sucker Punch.

 

[22 Stars]

"Lokai is white on the right side. All of his people are white on the right side."

Is that you, Bele?

Lol, ok let's move on. I noticed in another thread that we agree that FC is the most overrated Trek film, let's focus on that which brings us together. I really don't mean any ill will against anyone on a message board, or many people in the world at large.

I don't really 'feel sorry' (the other guys words), for anyone who has an opinion, about a Trek film.

 

[CaptainMatt]

^ I feel sorry for those who can't be critical of a film made poorly, written poorly, ill conceived and poorly executed. When the producer admits the he blew it, and jeopardized the entire franchise, you my friend have a bad film.

Enjoying it on 6/9/89 as I did, doesn't mean its not a bad film. It means we were younger, less critical and hungry for a new Trek film.

I always was advanced for my age. I saw STV with open enough eyes that its faults did not bother me in the slightest. I could overlook them and get down to enjoy the film. And no, it being new was not the reason. I have seen several other Trek films when they were new and still disliked some of them whole liking others. STV is a favorite and I enjoyed it then as I do now. End of story friends. Period. And no it is not a turd. Shatner had some beautiful ideas and were were fortunate some got into the film despite Paramount's sabotage.

 

[doubleohfive]

This....

I always was advanced for my age. I saw STV with open enough eyes that its faults did not bother me in the slightest. I could overlook them and get down to enjoy the film. And no, it being new was not the reason. I have seen several other Trek films when they were new and still disliked some of them whole liking others. STV is a favorite and I enjoyed it then as I do now. End of story friends. Period.

does not necessarily equate to this:

And no it is not a turd. Shatner had some beautiful ideas and were were fortunate some got into the film despite Paramount's sabotage.

Once again: Just because something is your favorite, or you think something is good, it does not necessarily follow that it isn't crap.

 

[CaptainMatt]

Just because something is generally reviled does not mean it does not have its fans somewhere. Belittle me if you want, but STV will still be a good film in my eyes and in the end thats all that matters. I waste my time trying to reach you lot. No more. You like to attack what you do not understand. Grow up and move on. I heard you the first time.

 

[doubleohfive]

Where did I say Star Trek V didn't have fans? I'm a fan of the film myself.

I never "belittled" anything. All I said was that just because someone likes something doesn't mean it isn't bad.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

You like to attack what you do not understand.

I understand Star Trek V just fine. I also understand your attitude perfectly well.

It's misguided, nonetheless. "Favorite" does not equal "best."

 

[Aldo]

Since it's my favorite of TOS films and I also think it's the best directed as well.

....which is saying something, given how highly you think of that cinematic masterpiece Sucker Punch.

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here other than the fact that you read my posts.

So I liked Sucker Punch, so what? Nowhere in either thread am I telling people that don't like either film that they're wrong in liking or disliking something. Live and let live, you know.

 

[doubleohfive]

You claimed you felt Trek V is the "best directed."

Best is a qualitative term, which in this case especially is entirely subjective.

Referencing your love of Sucker Punch had less to do with you personally than it did in illustrating the central point I was making - One can like/love/enjoy a film, but that does not necessarily mean that said film is any good, either by personal, critical, professional, or general standards.

Sucker Punch is widely regarded as being a rather terrible film. As is Star Trek V. I wasn't trying to detract from your enjoyment of either nor was I trying to suggest that you shouldn't enjoy them. I was merely pointing out that opinions can vary.

 

[Maurice]

It's a bad film. Badly conceived, badly written and in some places poorly acted. For every good there's 1.5 bad things. It's the bottom of the barrel, saved only in some tiny measure by the on-screen charisma of the leads.

 

[Aldo]

You claimed you felt Trek V is the "best directed."

Best is a qualitative term, which in this case especially is entirely subjective.

Referencing your love of Sucker Punch had less to do with you personally than it did in illustrating the central point I was making - One can like/love/enjoy a film, but that does not necessarily mean that said film is any good, either by personal, critical, professional, or general standards.

Sucker Punch is widely regarded as being a rather terrible film. As is Star Trek V. I wasn't trying to detract from your enjoyment of either nor was I trying to suggest that you shouldn't enjoy them. I was merely pointing out that opinions can vary.

Fair points, all of them. You are correct, my statement that Trek V is the "best directed" is entirely subjective. Perhaps I should have clarified by stating that I enjoy Shatner's direction and I personally feel it's a decently directed film.

Yes, that is changing the tone of my intitial post that you quoted, but looking back, saying it is the best directed of the TOS films is perhaps a bit overstating.

 

[Tina Lawton]

I think it ranks as a better Trek film than TMP. I would put it on a par with Nemesis, as there were parts of both I really enjoyed and parts of both I didn't.

 

[sonak]

I think it ranks as a better Trek film than TMP. I would put it on a par with Nemesis, as there were parts of both I really enjoyed and parts of both I didn't.

interesting, my ranking of it puts it pretty close to Nemesis also. And yes, definitely better than TMP. At least TFF doesn't leave me glancing at my watch repeatedly, as nothing happens on screen but some guys staring at special effects.

 

[RyanKCR]

As far as the TOS films go TFF ranks at the bottom with TMP at the top. I was cringing the whole time I watched it.

Oh, I loved Sucker Punch. I have a degree in psychology and was able to appreciate what they were attempting to do.

 

[22 Stars]

^ I have a degree in Film, and Sucker Punch fails at every turn in what they were 'attempting to do'

 

[LOKAI of CHERON]

Sucker Punch is amazing - absolutely love it.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I'd sit through Sucker Punch three times before I'd sit through Star Trek V again.

 

[22 Stars]

Lol, I would sooner read this thread three times than watch Sucker Punch again. The girls were cute, but sorry I can't embrace the misogynistic tone of the whole piece. Really sick.

 

[Gagarin]

I think ST V was a better TOS film than TMP (strangely it seemed to have similar production design and photography (flat, beige, earth-tones). ST V was a better TOS film than the TNG films were at capturing TNG.

A flawed film.