I don't think STV is that terrible

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies I-X' started by Amasov, Mar 6, 2012.

  1. Nathan_Heller

    Nathan_Heller Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Mar 14, 2001
    Grottoes, VA
    I liked STV for many of the same reasons the original poster said. It was a far better film than Star Trek: Nemesis!
  2. CoveTom

    CoveTom Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Jul 17, 2003
    No, they really weren't. They were substandard by 1989 standards. To prove that, just look at the effects work that Doug Trumbull, John Dykstra, and their respective teams did an entire decade earlier for TMP and compare it to TFF. Or the work that ILM did for the following three films which, while I consider them below the standard of TMP, were none-the-less far and away superior to TFF.

    Bran Ferren and his team did a few things well, and a few things right. I liked their cloud tank effects, which they were known for. And I liked their use of rear projection on the viewscreen and in the windows, rather than all the blue/green screen work that was the norm. But beyond that, they were simply in over their heads. They did not have the experience and capabilities with motion control work that was necessary for a film of that type.

    I agree that the visual effects are not the major problem with the film, but they are certainly subpar.
  3. SchwEnt

    SchwEnt Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Jan 5, 2005
    So many problems, both onscreen and in the script and behind the scenes... it's amazing it turned out as well as it did. And even that's pretty bad.

    But with so many odds stacked against them, I'm surprised it wasn't a screaming horror rather than just plain bad.
  4. SillyTilly

    SillyTilly Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    Jul 19, 2012
    I watched it last night and thought it was quite good. Yes, it could be improved but it was still enjoyable.
  5. gottacook

    gottacook Captain Captain

    Apr 27, 2005
    Of course it is that terrible! Case in point: One of the stars, soon after the movie begins, drops a long distance. One of the other stars rescues him. That gives the decision-makers behind this movie such a frisson that they do it all over again an hour later. This is a level of storytelling more befitting a Three Stooges movie. [Moreover, the second instance takes place in a shaft that has dozens of deck levels (as many as necessary for a good long fall, I guess) and, on a ship with artificial gravity, that shaft wouldn't have had gravity in the first place; why risk a crew member falling like that?]

    The movie is a flawed story badly told. Even if it'd had a good story, it might have been badly told. I suppose Harve Bennett couldn't collaborate with Shatner the way he could with his friend Nimoy. I have always given a share of the blame to the co-writer (Loughery) but have no idea how much he deserves it - anyone here know?
  6. NebulaClassGuy

    NebulaClassGuy Lieutenant Commander

    Jul 20, 2012
    Dallas, Texas
    It wasn't as bad as people think... it actually had some of the best and funniest Kirk/Spock/Bones humor of all the classic films, second only to the humor in "The Voyage Home". IMO.
  7. Garrovick

    Garrovick Commander Red Shirt

    Jul 10, 2012
    wallowing in a pool of emotion
    I actually think that Sybok did really believe he was performing therapy on his "victims", even though it really wasn't therapy but something rather darker IMO - forcing people to relive traumatic memories the way he did to Spock and McCoy really isn't a very nice thing to do, regardless of your motivations. This being the case, I do also believe that Sybok thought he did have volunteers. It's true that he didn't seem to get too upset that Spock and McCoy didn't join him for the penetration of the Great Barrier, but refusals like that might have happened to him in the past before he traveled to Nimbus III.

    Actually, that whole aspect of the film is somewhat reminiscent of "This Side of Paradise" - an unexpected mental suggestion is turned loose on the Enterprise crew, and everyone suddenly decides to turn against Kirk, who of course resists it just because he's Kirk.

    If you compare this movie to any of those that came before (or after) it, the effects are clearly subpar. I do stand by my love of the shot of the Enterprise-A hanging in front of the moon, though. I do wish that whoever designed the shuttle hangar had taken a look at Star Trek: The Motion Picture, though.

    I wish that turboshaft scene had never happened. Too many things wrong with that scene to even count, and the scene was totally and completely unnecessary. It would have been better to have Kirk, Spock, and McCoy use Jeffries tubes to get from one deck to another.