I was going to leave this alone, in light of the obvious trolling it is. But...
I never made those comments, nor did I praise Trek V as "awsome" or even praise it as fine movie making. I reviewed it for what it was.
I don't think STV is that terrible
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I was going to leave this alone, in light of the obvious trolling it is. But...
I never made those comments, nor did I praise Trek V as "awsome" or even praise it as fine movie making. I reviewed it for what it was.
You're completely missing my point. And please don't accuse me of trolling which I certainly was not doing.
Ok, then what was your point?
Your replied in thread with a single line pointing someone back to the post number of your wall-of-text review. It was a commentary on that.
Guilty. I was hoping someone would read it.
After browsing through dozens of threads here every day I'm afraid many have tl;dr syndrome.
Perhaps you could redo it as a haiku?
Perhaps you could redo it as a haiku?
I have no dog in this fight, but I too thought it was odd to just refer people to a post one or two pages previously, esp. one as loooonnnnng as that one. It's one thing if there is a conversation going, but I think the looooooong post made its point the first time.
For what it's worth, I read it. Though it goes over previously-trodden territory somewhat, it's pretty well-written, and despite being a negative review, goes out of its way to be fair to TFF.
Again, TFF is weak yes, but not the disaster it's made out to be.
I would argue that V is remembered (or not remembered) fairly. It is weak and was a disaster, by every measure that matters in movie making and the movie business, and acknowledged by the very people who made it! It was very nearly a fatal one for the TOS cast movies.
Only by the grace of Sherry Lansing wanting to mark the 25th Anniversary with a Trek movie costing $30 million or less did ST VI happen.
Only by the grace of Sherry Lansing wanting to mark the 25th Anniversary with a Trek movie costing $30 million or less did ST VI happen.
Damn, 22 - you really love ragging on this movie!! Again, "the every measure that matters" spiel is just your opinion. It's one of the weaker entries in the cinematic Trek pantheon for sure - but leagues ahead of the flatter than three week old lemonade yawnfest that is Nemesis (my opinion you understand - shared by many).
lol Lokai, sorry, I don't love ragging on it, i really do love Star Trek SO MUCH, and wanted it to be better than it was. I agree, Nemesis isn't good either, but this isn't a Nemesis is worse than V thread, it is "I don't think STV is that terrible" thread. If the original poster, the I, doesn't 'think' that STV is 'that terrible', than that is his/her own opinion of course.
But there is little to gain by saying that V is not a badly made (or to some people 'terrible') movie and I would argue, that it is 'that terrible'. It was a badly made movie, the people who MADE IT, admit they made it badly and made bad choices making it.
I can find good things about it, we all can i'm sure, but that doesn't make it 'not terrible' or 'good'. I think typing this, the tone is harsher than I am being, lol.
But there is little to gain by saying that V is not a badly made (or to some people 'terrible') movie and I would argue, that it is 'that terrible'. It was a badly made movie, the people who MADE IT, admit they made it badly and made bad choices making it.
I can find good things about it, we all can i'm sure, but that doesn't make it 'not terrible' or 'good'. I think typing this, the tone is harsher than I am being, lol.
This reminds me of the thread that got bogged down by the meaning of 'the movie bombed'. In the dictionary, there could be a big silver ST V next to the definition of a movie bombing. My job at Paramount at the time was tracking domestic box office in the NY territory, so I will speak as an authority on this one. ST V bombed, perhaps a fate undeserved for a 'not terrible' movie. 
It's fairly pointless to continue batting the ball on this, suffice it to say - I don't agree!
Yes the movie bombed, I get it - so what? That fact doesn't qualify the film as "badly made".This reminds me of the thread that got bogged down by the meaning of 'the movie bombed'. In the dictionary, there could be a big silver ST V next to the definition of a movie bombing. My job at Paramount at the time was tracking domestic box office in the NY territory, so I will speak as an authority on this one. ST V bombed, perhaps a fate undeserved for a 'not terrible' movie.
I'm really not being rude, and I definitely hope I don't come over as harsh, but frankly (and with the utmost respect), I don't really give a hoot who you worked for, or what your job spec was. Whatever your credentials, they don't make your opinion any more valid than Joe Popcorn sitting in their local film theatre.
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I really want to go through and do a re-cut of Trek V as if it were an episode of TOS.
I know it was done already, and I've got that cut of the movie around someplace but to be honest, it's awful. A lot of the lighter, more humanizing moments were just carelessly chopped away and I felt those were the things that really uplifted the otherwise chintzy elements of the film.
One of these days, I'll get around to it...
I know it was done already, and I've got that cut of the movie around someplace but to be honest, it's awful. A lot of the lighter, more humanizing moments were just carelessly chopped away and I felt those were the things that really uplifted the otherwise chintzy elements of the film.
One of these days, I'll get around to it...
After watching it again, I can tell you that there is one thing I absolutely loathe about STV. The Klingons. I can not stand them in this movie (though to be honest I've become burnt out on Klingons in ST), poorly acted, poor reason for them to be there, just poor....
This.
^^^ What these guys said.
I can't think of another movie that can be so greatly improved by simply editing and cutting. Remove the Klingons, remove the humor, remove the bad effects... it can only improve the movie.
Don't really have to change, re-write... just cut cut cut.
After the bad parts are edited out, what remains isn't such a terrible ST movie. Not great or very good, but not terrible.
I can't think of another movie that can be so greatly improved by simply editing and cutting. Remove the Klingons, remove the humor, remove the bad effects... it can only improve the movie.
Don't really have to change, re-write... just cut cut cut.
After the bad parts are edited out, what remains isn't such a terrible ST movie. Not great or very good, but not terrible.
Actually, I think if you remove some of those elements, it makes it more of an obvious retread of "Way to Eden."
