I don't quite like Abrams' attitude

[Jax]

This is what pisses me off so much about the fan reaction to this film... people embraced it just because it's shiny (literally) and new, and worship JJ like some great prophet, while at the same time, they now begin to put down Star Trek as being boring, stale, and so on, while it is Star Trek that they have loved so much all this time. It must have been real shitty being a Trekker then, huh? Just because this film may have been enjoyed by people doesn't mean that Trek as it was was lame or boring. If you people who love JJ so much hate the Treks that started it all, then just say so, and admit you never liked Trek in the first place. Otherwise, shut up. You can enjoy this new film, without putting down the Trek of the past.

Ya know, I liked this film, but I agree with everything you just said.

Well I have never hid my dislike of TOS, I find it a typical product fo the 60's meaning sexist, cheesy and at times a little insulting but I do admire what Gene tried to achieve and minus the men trying to shag everything the characters are fun. I do like the TOS crew movies with 6 & 2 being in my top 3 along with ST 09. I have no problem with the rest of Old Trek apart from first two seasons of TNG, the last two seasons of Voyager, Nemesis and the odd episode of ENT. However J.J's Trek was so fun so different but still Trek in its own way. I adore so much of old TREK but I also know that New Trek is what is needed for this age.

 

[Trekker4747]

Hey, there's a "Rick Berman's an asshole" thread.
I was watching one of the documentary thingies on the two-disc DVD, and J.J.'s always saying that Star Trek was "a geeky talkfest", and "Star Trek is classical music, while Star Wars is rock n' roll. Star Trek needed some of that", as well as "Empire Strikes Back had a fast pace. Star Trek needed that too."

Um... excuse me? Yes ESB has action scenes, but it's pretty slow-paced IMO.
Also, if Rick Berman said such things about THE TREK, he'd be dead.

Discuss.

I sort of agree with the "take" JJ had on Trek and with his (and his writers) take with the franchise in this first outing shows he "missed" much of what Trek was about. Sure this movie was fun, good, and the actors did a heck of a job but the movie wasn't really about anything.

It succeded in what it set-out to do (have sucessful movie and draw in a new audience) but from some of the stuff I heard about the Crossover comic there's more dimension the story could've had (the Spock/Nero friendship which would've added a new dimnension to Nero's rage.) The movie has hints of a good story and "meaning" and "about" to it but in the end, it's really just a popcorn flick.

The best episodes of Trek (including Enterprise and Voyager here) have emotion, depth and story to them with emotion and power. The "depth" in this movie is like comparing the much lauded "death of Optimus Prime" in the cartoon movie and the same event int he Michael Bay movie -which had no depth and was reversed by the end of the movie."

They've made the fun movie to draw in audiences, great. The next movie needs to have depth and be about something. With emotion, heartache and a touch of drama to it. Bring "City on the Edge of Forever" 's power to the big-screen. (Not literally, though an updated and ramped-up version of that episode to the big screen would be awesome. But CotEoF is Classic Trek, and Trek as a whole, at its finest.)

 

[Chrisisall]

Overall, while I think JJ Abrams's attitude maybe a bit too cavalier for my liking, I like what he's put out so far and I'm definitely interested in how he's going to continue the Trek story.

^What Bullet said.

They've made the fun movie to draw in audiences, great. The next movie needs to have depth and be about something. With emotion, heartache and a touch of drama to it. Bring "City on the Edge of Forever's" power to the big-screen. (Not literally, though an updated and ramped-up version of that episode to the big screen would be awesome. But CotEoF is Classic Trek, and Trek as a whole, at its finest.)

AND, ^ What Trekker said!

 

[Devon]

I agree. The man has an all-out SW fetish, which is why he hired Ryan Church to work on the film. Thank God some of his concepts were dropped from the final film... in the art book, it shows that Sarek was originally going to have a speederbike... I shit you not... an actual frakking SW speederbike... ugh.

Not quite correct. Ryan Church's bike actually made it through, but was part of a deleted scene (see "Sarek gets Amanda.")

And an early concept for the space drill was a total rip-off of a SW attack droid... ugh.

Not quite.

Trek is Trek... that's what makes it special, and why we love it.

And Star Trek 11 took Trek to another level, that's why so many more people love it.

If we want SW, we'll watch a SW film.

"We" will watch whatever we want to watch.

This is what pisses me off so much about the fan reaction to this film... people embraced it just because it's shiny (literally) and new, and worship JJ like some great prophet, while at the same time, they now begin to put down Star Trek as being boring, stale, and so on, while it is Star Trek that they have loved so much all this time.

To be fair, personally, I found a lot of it be boring and stale in the later years before this film came along (note, I do not praise "Voyager" or "Enterprise" too much.) This film perhaps showed us what Star Trek could be (you know... successful, well liked, well made, terms that became seldom used in the same sentence as "Star Trek.")

It must have been real shitty being a Trekker then, huh?

A Voyager Trekker perhaps.

Just because this film may have been enjoyed by people doesn't mean that Trek as it was was lame or boring.

No, it just became that way.

If you people who love JJ so much hate the Treks that started it all, then just say so, and admit you never liked Trek in the first place. Otherwise, shut up. You can enjoy this new film, without putting down the Trek of the past.

Same could be said for the reverse.

 

[Chrisisall]

A Voyager Trekker perhaps.

 

[Braxton]

Even tho Star Trek is generally far superior to Star Wars, as an entertainment experience, ESB is better than any of the Trek movies. In that regards, Abrams has a perfectly valid point. Trek XI demonstrated that fears about Abrams "turning Star Trek into Star Wars" were completely unfounded. It felt very much in line with the traditions and approach of Star Trek, and was competently molded into a fast-paced, satisfying entertainment experience, just like Star Wars has been, thirty percent of the time, which interestingly enough is about the same success rate for TOS on TV and Star Trek in movies.

He didn't really turn it into Star Wars but there is some Star Wars influence. Warp has been turned into hyperspace, both going to warp and being at warp, looked a lot like hyperspace from Star Wars. While it was done in the TOS movies and the Defiant in DS9 (which is a little different but not by much), the pulse phaser fire and a couple other pulse weapons came off a lot more like Star Wars. Yes, it was nice to see a lot of weapons fire from a Starfleet ship for once but to me it felt too much like Star Wars with those little bits of weapons flying everywhere. Oh, and Pike saying "Punch it!" felt out of place in a Star Trek movie.

My god, the lens flares are VERY annoying. I picked up the Blu-Ray 3-disc edition, it was awesome but the lens flares were far more annoying than they were in the theater. I hope they cut down on this in the next movie, as in not doing it at all. It was stupid and took away from the movie at times. My biggest problem with the movie is that they had to resort to time travel once again (for bringing in new people they had to use an old idea to make a new movie?), the destruction of Vulcan (we are to believe that there are no other Vulcan worlds, since Enterprise does happen, trying to pass off that only 10,000 Vulcans are left is very hard to believe). I wish Abrams had just said they were doing a reboot. The Prime timeline would still exist (it still does, we are now in an alternate reality) but we wouldn't have had a time travel movie.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The man has an all-out SW fetish, which is why he hired Ryan Church to work on the film.

SW fetish? Surprised he doesn't have a baseball fetish.

Oops, sorry, wrong Ryan Church.

 

[Voyagerian]

People can make comparisons between the new film and past treks all they want, and toss grenades at one another, but for me, for the most part, I'm good with ALL of them, though I'm into others more than some. I hate NONE of them..and to me, that's a pretty darn good way to be.

 

[6079SmithW]

I loved First Contact to death. Then Insurrection and Nemesis came along and made me completely loose interest in Star Trek. I'm not happy with all of the choices Abrams made, but for me at least, he made Star Trek enjoyable again. It sparked my interest in TOS again, making me want to watch my dad's remastered TOS DVDs, which I had been apathetic about before hand.

 

[Joby]

Oh, and Pike saying "Punch it!" felt out of place in a Star Trek movie.

I did not like the "Punch it!" line either. Though I seem to vaguely recall Riker saying something similar "punch it up to warp 6..." or something of that nature in a 4th or 5th season TNG episode, it just doesn't go with Trek.

I liked "Why are you talking to me, man?" and Uhura's reaction to Kirk's hands, but punch it does not belong in Star Trek. Leave that one to Han Solo and any Star Wars character.

 

[Yeoman Randi]

I don't have a problem with JJ Abrams, because his words don't impact my like or dislike of the movie or the franchise.

Joe, real

What he said

John, copycat

What they said.

Oh, and Pike saying "Punch it!" felt out of place in a Star Trek movie.

I did not like the "Punch it!" line either. Though I seem to vaguely recall Riker saying something similar "punch it up to warp 6..." or something of that nature in a 4th or 5th season TNG episode, it just doesn't go with Trek.

I liked "Why are you talking to me, man?" and Uhura's reaction to Kirk's hands, but punch it does not belong in Star Trek. Leave that one to Han Solo and any Star Wars character.

I had no problem with this line. I actually found it pretty realistic, which is what i like in my Trek. Things i can relate to.

Not a comment on your posts Braxton and Joby, but i think it is a miracle that anyone would take on writing or directing a Star Trek movie when they know there are fans out there ready to jump on a single line. How do these people get the nerve up to put pen to paper?

 

[urbandk]

We got what we asked for. We got our flashier, sexier, edgier, riskier Star Trek.

Who was asking for that? I want to punch them in the face.

Kurt Vonnagut put it best...

Any reviewer who express rage and loathing for a novel is preposterous. He or she is like a person who has put on full armor and attacked a hot fudge sundae.

I agree with Voyagerian, I like this movie, and I like the rest of Star Trek. Whatever JJ's inspiration, I am only concerned with the finished product. I like classical music and rock and roll. Star Trek changes all the time. In ten years, it will have evolved into something else, if we're fortunate enough to still have Star Trek. I'll be watching, anyways.

 

[AnyStar]

how can you even compare SW and ST? its like apples to oranges... Lucas may babble on about his "anakin story" but fact is SW is all about special effects. ST was (at least untill recently) all about the stories.

 

[startrekrcks]

But don't you think this film captured the spirit and essence of Old Trek

 

[GhostFaceSaint]

[...]the pulse phaser fire and a couple other pulse weapons came off a lot more like Star Wars. Yes, it was nice to see a lot of weapons fire from a Starfleet ship for once but to me it felt too much like Star Wars with those little bits of weapons flying everywhere. Oh, and Pike saying "Punch it!" felt out of place in a Star Trek movie.
[...]

Actually I though the phasers were an homage to the phasers in Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan, which was a film that JJ really liked and always thought was a good example of Trek done well.

 

[Tyberius]

My god, the lens flares are VERY annoying. I picked up the Blu-Ray 3-disc edition, it was awesome but the lens flares were far more annoying than they were in the theater. I hope they cut down on this in the next movie, as in not doing it at all. It was stupid and took away from the movie at times.

The lens flares aren't that annoying to me, though Abrams does admit to its overuse.

My biggest problem with the movie is that they had to resort to time travel once again (for bringing in new people they had to use an old idea to make a new movie?), the destruction of Vulcan (we are to believe that there are no other Vulcan worlds, since Enterprise does happen, trying to pass off that only 10,000 Vulcans are left is very hard to believe).

Enterprise occurs before this movie.

I wish Abrams had just said they were doing a reboot. The Prime timeline would still exist (it still does, we are now in an alternate reality) but we wouldn't have had a time travel movie.

I somewhat agree. These characters are to the point of myth and mythical stories can be retold with many variations. There needn't be any particular reason behind telling the story a different way, except that the storyteller wanted to tell it a different way. Though I was happy with this version of the story.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

but is the movie pure Star Trek because I was watching the original series and there was a more sensible,more grown up approach

Yeah...

Space hippies looking for paradise.
Kirk and Spock on the Gangster Planet.
Kirk recites the Constitution on Planet America.
Entire crew gets a permanent high from spore flowers
Enterprise gets overrun by cute furry things
Kirk and Spock and McCoy are held prisoner on Planet Rome
Enterprise finds an exact duplicate of Earth way out in space and nobody is even slightly curious as to how it got there.

Don't get me wrong, TOS was an amazingly adult show for its times... but only FOR ITS TIMES. The cheese factor was still high enough that it hardly counts as the gold standard for later trek productions for the rest of history.

 

[Jeri]

"Really, Captain, my modesty..."

"Does not bear close scrutiny!"

 

[shadowedgalaxy]

I didn't mean to make a "JJ wants Star Trek to be like Star Wars!!111" thread.

 

[Shazam!]

SW is all about special effects. ST was (at least untill recently) all about the stories.

And now it's all about special effects? I'm not sure what your point is.