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I don't understand why Trek has to be taken so seriously all the time.
Because it's supposed to be taken seriously. Sure it's always had some humour in its dialogue (especially with characters like McCoy, Data and the Doctor) and the occasional bit of weird imagery (like a dude in a white rabbit costume or Abraham Lincoln floating in space), it's baseline isn't gritty joyless drama. But it's supposed to be something you can buy into and get immersed in. Shows like Deep Space Nine sit right next to Babylon 5 and The Expanse on the serious sci-fi shelf.
It's entertainment.
I don't take it super seriously, especially in Star Trek with some rather absurd planets, characters and plots.
I get immersed but I'm not serious about it. It can be silly.
Sime peoplectake it seriously. Whats wrong with that? Live and let live.
Not really. All the best and smartest stuff is still prose.
Except Westworld season one.
No it isn't, not all the time.
If it interferes with entertainment then I'll question it.
Asking questions isn't saying it's wrong but wondering how can entertainment can be more enjoyable.
I think there's a fine but crucial line between taking this stuff seriously and taking it too seriously, although we're all going to have our own lines in the sand.
One of my pet peeves these days (and this is NOT aimed at Ray, but just speaking in general) is the way some modern fans seem to be positively dismissive of the idea that Trek is meant to be fun and exciting as well as "cerebral" or "utopian" or whatever. Seems like I'm constantly running into variations of:
"Sure, X is fun, but it's not canon."
" . . . it's not true to Gene's vision."
" . . . it's not real science fiction."
" . . . it's not STAR TREK."
Just the other day, I saw some guy declare that, sure, THE WRATH OF KHAN and THE VOYAGE HOME were fun and entertaining, but they weren't actually good.
When did a movie or TV show being entertaining start being treated as irrelevant?
One of my pet peeves these days (and this is NOT aimed at Ray, but just speaking in general) is the way some modern fans seem to be positively dismissive of the idea that Trek is meant to be fun and exciting as well as "cerebral" or "utopian" or whatever. Seems like I'm constantly running into variations of:
"Sure, X is fun, but it's not canon."
" . . . it's not true to Gene's vision."
" . . . it's not real science fiction."
" . . . it's not STAR TREK."
Just the other day, I saw some guy declare that, sure, THE WRATH OF KHAN and THE VOYAGE HOME were fun and entertaining, but they weren't actually good.
When did a movie or TV show being entertaining start being treated as irrelevant?
Sure, although those are four separate complaints. The first is pointless since, inevitably, the speaker (assuming this is a fan commenter) has no control over canon; the second is nebulous enough to cover almost anything, and anyway isn’t the disqualification it wants to be; the third is true of quite a lot of Star Trek (though I wish it wasn’t); and the fourth is a subjective value judgment.
EDIT: So I’d say,
“Sure, New Voyages is fun, but it’s not canon.”
“TWOK’s not true to Gene’s vision. So what? It’s excellent.”
“‘Heart of Glory’ isn’t real science fiction. It’s pretty good, though.”
“Section 31 isn’t Star Trek. Yeah, that I’ll give you. It is canon, though.”
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Alas, in context, these kinds of statements are most often expressed as complaints, and convey a sense that "fun" doesn't matter as much as those other factors, which are Much More Important.
And I suppose I could have added:
". . . but it's not serious enough."
Never mind that the STAR TREK I grew up on ranged from "The Trouble with Tribbles" and "Shore Leave" to "Charlie X" and "The Conscience of the King" -- which is just how I like it.
And I suppose I could have added:
". . . but it's not serious enough."
Never mind that the STAR TREK I grew up on ranged from "The Trouble with Tribbles" and "Shore Leave" to "Charlie X" and "The Conscience of the King" -- which is just how I like it.
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That clip is from the comedy episode of the season, so it's supposed to be laughable. Is this what Trek fandom has come to, crying because comedy is funny?
You mean the same DS9 which has recently rather accurately been described as "Star Trek's sitcom"?
The clip is so bad and misunderstands Vulcans so much I seriously think it must be from some kind of nightmare sequence.
Even BSG had a comedy episode.
And? How is that relevant to DS9 being Star Trek's sitcom?
DS9 wasn't Star Trek's sitcom because it had comedy episodes.
i don't find it funny at all. i like comedy episodes, just not ones that are contrived and break reasonable standards. i find lower decks to be absolutely hysterical. You can have a comedic tone without becoming a downright parody. The musical destroyed this show in my eyes. I can never take it seriously again.
This. of course, I had some of the same type of issues when Spock became human, and suddenly forgot all of his Vulcan training, and knew nothing about the human side he has had his entire life to deal with.
Methink's perhaps you are taking Gene Roddenberry's attempt to make money and get pretty women into his bed/on his office couch, by producing a Sci-Fi TV show, waaay too seriously.
The "Star Trek was always bad" argument is never really all that convincing when you're saying it on a board full of Star Trek fans.
BSG had a comedy episode? Which episode was that?
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