I don't like this news about SNW season 3 from Screen Rant

[Detached Nacelle]

Screenrant are most certainly in the pantheon of websites that should be ignored at all cost. If not for the clickbait then for the content of said often not researched, inaccurate with misquotes etc and poor spelling that shows no one bothered to proofread.

Also I never noticed the pirate antagonist was nonbinary either, I was too busy enjoying how fun the character was a good old fashioned camp villain. Plus the Sybok connection was cool and I want more.

 

[Vulcanoid]

Screenrant are most certainly in the pantheon of websites that should be ignored at all cost. If not for the clickbait then for the content of said often not researched, inaccurate with misquotes etc and poor spelling that shows no one bothered to proofread.

Also I never noticed the pirate antagonist was nonbinary either, I was too busy enjoying how fun the character was a good old fashioned camp villain. Plus the Sybok connection was cool and I want more.

They need to get those clicks no matter the cost, even if it means collapsing the wormhole of information connecting our time with actual engaging content. Sad state of affairs but that's just how it is.

 

[Mudd]

https://screenrant.com/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-season-3-genres-music-tease/#thread

Honorable mention is "The Serene Squall" for having a non-binary main antagonist, no need to force that on us please when that kind of thing should be left in the bedroom and no one cares.

No one "forced" anything on you.

These are stories about people. If you don't like the stories, or you have a bias against some people, go find a story you like better.

Aspen/Angel was a great character, in addition to being a pretty important one in illuminating Spock's story and ongoing inner conflict in a fresh and more contemporary fashion.

I urge you to consider that you do not need to be either Vulcan or human. That is and always has
been a false choice. The question isn't what you are. It's who you are.

 

[ScottJ85]

No one "forced" anything on you.

Yeah, the way some people talk about it you'd think Alex Kurtzman personally held their eyes open and forced them to watch.

And I really don't understand how someone can act like Star Trek having a progressive message is somehow a new thing, unless they've only seen TOS and took it entirely at face value without taking the context of the 1960s into account.

 

[Vulcanoid]

Yeah, the way some people talk about it you'd think Alex Kurtzman personally held their eyes open and forced them to watch.

And I really don't understand how someone can act like Star Trek having a progressive message is somehow a new thing, unless they've only seen TOS and took it entirely at face value without taking the context of the 1960s into account.

It happened to me. I wasn't strong enough. Kurtzman and his Paramount goons (Jem'Hadar in suits) made me watch Trek produced IN THE PREVIOUS year. It was horrible, they didn't even give me popcorn to eat while all the exciting and fun stuff happened.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Remember the part on TNG where Riker showed sexual interest in women? Why did the writers assume audiences care about what goes on in his bedroom and force such nonsense onto us??! Absolutely unnecessary!

 

[Alexander Corrino]

Isn't it 'funny' (sarcasm) how being nonbinary (which is a gender identity, not a sexual orientation) is now apparently equal to "what goes on in a bedroom"...

 

[Noname Given]

Honestly, the idea that a red-blooded, iron-based human can produce viable offspring with a green-blooded, copper-based lifeform defies reason, but would any of us sacrifice Spock because of that?

And note that TOS never offered any sort of technobabble explanation for how Spock was conceived.

(And, yes, I know that there's a common assumption that extraordinary biomedical measures were involved, but this is strictly fanon. It was never stated onscreen in TOS.)

It was confirmed on screen that medical intravenous would be required in ENT S4 Terra Prime but that the procedure would not be difficult to do.

 

[TRON JA307020]

https://screenrant.com/star-trek-strange-new-worlds-season-3-genres-music-tease/#thread

PROBABLY JUST MY OPINION! So far I have loved SNW season 1 and a few episodes of season 2, but it has now started to drop off. I feel that things have just been getting worse since episode 1, which felt like traditional "Star Trek". Captain Pike is currently my favorite captain, and he especially stood out to me (positively and basically made the second season for me) when I forced my self to watch DSC seasons 1 and 2 just to know what happened before SNW and had to endure Michael Burnham's terrible character arc.

Samson 1 had only 2 episodes that sucked: "Lift Us Where Suffering May Not Reach" because it was sad, followed by "The Elysium Kingdom" which wasn't a bad episode, but I didn't like it. Honorable mention is "The Serene Squall" for having a non-binary main antagonist, no need to force that on us please when that kind of thing should be left in the bedroom and no one cares.

Now I feel SNW is becoming more trouble than it's worth, especially since now I don't like quite a few episodes in season 2. "Subspace Rhapsody" is among the worst I've ever seen, though it was funny at parts which only redeems it little (I dare say Star Trek should have a serious tone with some light laughs thrown in such as "The Trouble With Tribbles", not be a comedy like this). The same goes for "Those Old Scientists", attempts to be too funny. Not a fan over Lower Decks from what I have seen. "Tomorrow, Tomorrow, and Tomorrow" ruins the Romulans because La'an sees them when no one should have to this point (though Pike did as well, but I think he can get away with that because he might just forget the visuals and instead just remember the events after the vision like some people do in other movies). Finally, "Hegemony ruins the Gorn for me because it now makes them the main enemy of SNW. Star Trek TOS, despite still not really having Canon from developing it still (and getting retconned several times of course by new trek shows) made it clear the federation had never encountered the Gorn like this before. This skirmish nearly turns into an all out war from what the season 3 episode 1 teaser shows.

Season 3 is not looking good, with the characters becoming Vulcan in the first ever teaser for season 3. And they're looking to diverge even more and make Star Trek "Not Star Trek" by sticking to classic themes. If anything, SNW should be working to stick with and get back to the feel and similar themes of Star Trek: The Original Series, because it takes place right before. This includes SNW now clearly becoming a MUCH more serialized show, though having a new event every episode things carry over too much. SNW is going downhill for me, and I really want to see them "improve". The very first episode, convirntly called "Strange New Worlds" was absolutely perfect, one of the best Trek episodes I have seen thus far from Kelvin Movies, TOS, TAS, TOS movies, TNG season 1, Trials and Tribblations, First Contact, Voy seasons up to 3, and DSC seasons 1 and 2. I just hope SNW "gets better" and much more like TOS episode atmospheres and feels.

I really like the show but I do agree with you on a few things. With only 10 episodes a season I wish they would cut down on the comedy episodes. I miss stuff like Where No Man Has Gone Before. That episode was a perfect balance of exploration, drama and action all in one episode. Basically it packed a lot into under 60 minutes of story time. Probably my favorite episode of all star trek. Today they are so focused on giving all individual characters their little arcs or moments that we cant get something as rich as that. Not that I don't want all the characters to get their stories I do but we can tone down romatic stuff or the scenes were characters are constantly congratulating each other for being amazing people.I also agree with you on the gorn. It was a big canon issue chaging them like they did and also contradicts TOS. In TOS starfleet clearly knew next to nothing about the gorn.

 

[Greg Cox]

Remember the part on TNG where Riker showed sexual interest in women? Why did the writers assume audiences care about what goes on in his bedroom and force such nonsense onto us??! Absolutely unnecessary!

Heck, TNG wasted no time letting us know that Data was "fully-functional" by having him bed Yar in the very second episode.

And yet somehow that's NOT "absolutely unnecessary"?

Sensors detect a double standard here.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Heck, TNG wasted no time letting us know that Data was "fully-functional" by having him bed Yar in the very second episode.

And yet somehow that's NOT "absolutely unnecessary"?

Sensors detect a double standard here.

The worst part of the episode is how data got the virus like everyone else. Even the antidote worked for him. Early episodes made him more human and saying things like even starfleet didnt realize he was a android at first. Basically he was supposed to be so sophisticated that it was hard to detect he wasnt really a live being. That changed as data seemed to become more mechanical with things like his off button, geordi opening multiple access panels in his head etc. He also never caught viruses like the rest of the crew after the naked now episode.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Right, he’s described as being a “biological mechanical”. Maybe he was originally envisioned to be like a replicant from BLADE RUNNER where his creators went through great lengths to make him more human than human. That’s what they did with Cylons in BSG 2003.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Right, he’s described as being a “biological mechanical”. Maybe he was originally envisioned to be like a replicant from BLADE RUNNER where his creators went through great lengths to make him more human than human. That’s what they did with Cylons in BSG 2003.

Right. The writers made him much less human after the first season and as things progressed. So basically he couldnt get drunk anymore and get emotion from it and have relations with a female crew member. Lol.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

The only other instance I recall Data referring to his bio components is in “Deja Q” when he talks about how he’s built to eat/drink in order to lubricate his bio functions. Maybe getting drunk was something his maker gave him in order to emulate, we just never see that part of Data ever again. Maybe drinking real booze with Scotty would have been an opportunity to do that.

 

[Tuskin38]

Season 7 also said he could physically age.

 

[Dukhat]

Season 7 also said he could physically age.

Which was inconsistent with every other instance in TNG.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Which was inconsistent with every other instance in TNG.

YATI

 

[Tuskin38]

Which was inconsistent with every other instance in TNG.

Is it?

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Maybe getting drunk was something his maker gave him in order to emulate, we just never see that part of Data ever again.

He may have tweaked the "how drunk can I get and stay levelheaded" subroutine for security purposes to give himself a higher tolerance for alcohol as a safety measure.

 

[Dukhat]

YATI

The only acronym I could find for this was “You’re A Total Idiot.” I have a suspicion that’s not what you meant.

Is it?

It is.