I don't like how Abrams approached this... *spoilers*

[Jptrekker]

Didn't we hear all this stuff when Battlestar Galactica started back in 2003? Look where that went...

At the end of nuBSG's run there were still vehement haters of the new series, and those who thought the old series was complete garbage. I happened to like both...and that's how I feel about Star Trek right now, I love all the Trek from the last 43 years, and I very much enjoyed the new movie and have high hopes for more adventures in this new continuity.

And yes, I am concerned with how much money Star Trek makes, because if it doesn't make money, they won't make any new Star Trek for me to enjoy.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

I think we should separate and call it NuTrek, or Abram'sTrek. I personally like NuTrek.

I vote in favor to rename all old Star Trek to LovedButOldTrek, and the new one Star Trek. Who's with me?

I am. Honestly, who cares if we call it Abram's Trek or my Trek or yours? That is completely irrelevant.

What they did was incredibly cool, and they managed to pull off the one thing I always missed in LovedButOldTrek ( ): disable the reset button. Deus ex machina is my pet peeve, and this new Trek had none of it. No status quo. That's what makes it so bold and badass and cool.

 

[USS KG5]

And it's like everybody loves it, and if you don't like it you are just a stubborn nerd geek who is what's wrong with Star Trek, and JJ Abrams is what's right with it.

Pretty much - I'm actually rather enjoying watching the stubborn nerd geeks squirming.

And now for the really scary question

It is good to know that you have this in perspective.

 

[bassomatic]

I have to agree with the OP, in the sense that the film was not Star Trek. The movie was an entertaining film, yes, but, it was not Star Trek. It was a Start Trek film. JJ could have made the film in the past put in all new characters and still had the same affect without screwing around with the time line. To be honest, it is not as if he just decided to create a whole new universe. He took the time to include an original character, hence the other universe existed, and then takes a giant marker and redraws what he likes. My biggest gripe, and I know someone is about to tell me to shut up and move on, is that for some reason people today have to screw around with established things all the time, screw around with tradition. What could he have not done something similar to Star Trek Exeter. It is a Star Trek show based on all new characters and he could do what he wants, but, keep the timeline the same, heck, no need to erase entire planets. Heck, he could have keep the original characters and done for the film what Enterprise failed to do for most fans, give them a back story on film. Instead, in my opinion, what we have is a fan boy film made the way JJ wanted it to be and a film that paramount thought could make money for the mass of people who like flashy lights and ships that go boom. Sorry about that last one.

I am glad so many of you liked it, but, for me and many others this was just another Star Wars Christmas special.

 

[lawman]

Didn't we hear all this stuff when Battlestar Galactica started back in 2003? Look where that went...

Maybe you did. Me, I didn't know anyone who was a fan of the original BSG enough to be offended, and personally I wouldn't have watched it if you paid me.

Still, I refer to the new show as nuBSG. It's not a judgment, just clear nomenclature. Likewise, it's fair to call this nuTrek, since there's such a bright-line division between it and what came before.

The way that nuBSG won a following, though (and pulled me in despite my reservations) was by being more intelligent and sophisticated than the original. This nuTrek movie, in contrast, is less so. That's a depressing difference.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

I'm a thorough Star Trek fan but I don't consider myself so steeped in the lore of The Original Series, which had a lot of contradictions to begin with. I was willing to accept little things like no Gary Mitchell or Chekov being around much earlier than he's supposed to be. I would be more than willing to embrace a movie that I could kinda fit into the overall continuity if I just banged in the edges a little bit. But by destroying Vulcan & killing Amanda, they have completely precluded certain future Star Trek episodes from happening at all. That makes me .

At that point, the movie is on such a wildly different timeline that I think it requires a much higher burden of entertainment than what I required from the earlier movies. Beyond being set in an alternate, unfamiliar universe, the story is just kinda stupid. The timetravel is arbitrary. Nero is a seething, 1-dimensional villain that makes me long for the complexity & gravitas of Shinzon. There are major logic leaps, like Kirk going from suspended stowaway to acting first officer in the space of a few minutes, or Scotty going from hitchhiker (who abandoned his post) to chief engineer in about the same time. And why was Kirk marooned on an ice planet rather than just put in the brig?

 

[bismarck_1892]

I have to agree with the OP, in the sense that the film was not Star Trek. The movie was an entertaining film, yes, but, it was not Star Trek. It was a Start Trek film. JJ could have made the film in the past put in all new characters and still had the same affect without screwing around with the time line. To be honest, it is not as if he just decided to create a whole new universe. He took the time to include an original character, hence the other universe existed, and then takes a giant marker and redraws what he likes. My biggest gripe, and I know someone is about to tell me to shut up and move on, is that for some reason people today have to screw around with established things all the time, screw around with tradition. What could he have not done something similar to Star Trek Exeter. It is a Star Trek show based on all new characters and he could do what he wants, but, keep the timeline the same, heck, no need to erase entire planets. Heck, he could have keep the original characters and done for the film what Enterprise failed to do for most fans, give them a back story on film. Instead, in my opinion, what we have is a fan boy film made the way JJ wanted it to be and a film that paramount thought could make money for the mass of people who like flashy lights and ships that go boom. Sorry about that last one.

I am glad so many of you liked it, but, for me and many others this was just another Star Wars Christmas special.

I'm with ya.

 

[bismarck_1892]

I'm a thorough Star Trek fan but I don't consider myself so steeped in the lore of The Original Series, which had a lot of contradictions to begin with. I was willing to accept little things like no Gary Mitchell or Chekov being around much earlier than he's supposed to be. I would be more than willing to embrace a movie that I could kinda fit into the overall continuity if I just banged in the edges a little bit. But by destroying Vulcan & killing Amanda, they have completely precluded certain future Star Trek episodes from happening at all. That makes me .

At that point, the movie is on such a wildly different timeline that I think it requires a much higher burden of entertainment than what I required from the earlier movies. Beyond being set in an alternate, unfamiliar universe, the story is just kinda stupid. The timetravel is arbitrary. Nero is a seething, 1-dimensional villain that makes me long for the complexity & gravitas of Shinzon. There are major logic leaps, like Kirk going from suspended stowaway to acting first officer in the space of a few minutes, or Scotty going from hitchhiker (who abandoned his post) to chief engineer in about the same time. And why was Kirk marooned on an ice planet rather than just put in the brig?

Agreed. I'm glad we are getting some differing opinions on this movie.

 

[Amaris]

I have to agree with the OP, in the sense that the film was not Star Trek. The movie was an entertaining film, yes, but, it was not Star Trek. It was a Start Trek film. JJ could have made the film in the past put in all new characters and still had the same affect without screwing around with the time line. To be honest, it is not as if he just decided to create a whole new universe. He took the time to include an original character, hence the other universe existed, and then takes a giant marker and redraws what he likes. My biggest gripe, and I know someone is about to tell me to shut up and move on, is that for some reason people today have to screw around with established things all the time, screw around with tradition. What could he have not done something similar to Star Trek Exeter. It is a Star Trek show based on all new characters and he could do what he wants, but, keep the timeline the same, heck, no need to erase entire planets. Heck, he could have keep the original characters and done for the film what Enterprise failed to do for most fans, give them a back story on film. Instead, in my opinion, what we have is a fan boy film made the way JJ wanted it to be and a film that paramount thought could make money for the mass of people who like flashy lights and ships that go boom. Sorry about that last one.

I am glad so many of you liked it, but, for me and many others this was just another Star Wars Christmas special.

I'm fine with that. Honestly, I wish you could have really liked it. No malice whatsoever, I promise you. I do want to correct something, though. At the end you write "for me and many others", when in comparison, it would actually be "for me and a few others" or something along those lines, because the film seems to be doing quite well amongst Star Trek fans and non-Trek fans alike.

J.

 

[bismarck_1892]

I have to agree with the OP, in the sense that the film was not Star Trek. The movie was an entertaining film, yes, but, it was not Star Trek. It was a Start Trek film. JJ could have made the film in the past put in all new characters and still had the same affect without screwing around with the time line. To be honest, it is not as if he just decided to create a whole new universe. He took the time to include an original character, hence the other universe existed, and then takes a giant marker and redraws what he likes. My biggest gripe, and I know someone is about to tell me to shut up and move on, is that for some reason people today have to screw around with established things all the time, screw around with tradition. What could he have not done something similar to Star Trek Exeter. It is a Star Trek show based on all new characters and he could do what he wants, but, keep the timeline the same, heck, no need to erase entire planets. Heck, he could have keep the original characters and done for the film what Enterprise failed to do for most fans, give them a back story on film. Instead, in my opinion, what we have is a fan boy film made the way JJ wanted it to be and a film that paramount thought could make money for the mass of people who like flashy lights and ships that go boom. Sorry about that last one.

I am glad so many of you liked it, but, for me and many others this was just another Star Wars Christmas special.

I'm fine with that. Honestly, I wish you could have really liked it. No malice whatsoever, I promise you. I do want to correct something, though. At the end you write "for me and many others", when in comparison, it would actually be "for me and a few others" or something along those lines, because the film seems to be doing quite well amongst Star Trek fans and non-Trek fans alike.

J.

Sorry, no malice intended, but I think the film is doing well with non-Trekkies, or/and casual fans.

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

I have to agree with the OP, in the sense that the film was not Star Trek. The movie was an entertaining film, yes, but, it was not Star Trek. It was a Start Trek film. JJ could have made the film in the past put in all new characters and still had the same affect without screwing around with the time line. To be honest, it is not as if he just decided to create a whole new universe. He took the time to include an original character, hence the other universe existed, and then takes a giant marker and redraws what he likes. My biggest gripe, and I know someone is about to tell me to shut up and move on, is that for some reason people today have to screw around with established things all the time, screw around with tradition. What could he have not done something similar to Star Trek Exeter. It is a Star Trek show based on all new characters and he could do what he wants, but, keep the timeline the same, heck, no need to erase entire planets. Heck, he could have keep the original characters and done for the film what Enterprise failed to do for most fans, give them a back story on film. Instead, in my opinion, what we have is a fan boy film made the way JJ wanted it to be and a film that paramount thought could make money for the mass of people who like flashy lights and ships that go boom. Sorry about that last one.

I am glad so many of you liked it, but, for me and many others this was just another Star Wars Christmas special.

I'm sorry you didn't get the same satisfaction as most other viewers got.

BTW: What is that edit button doing in the middle of your post?

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Sorry, no malice intended, but I think the film is doing well with non-Trekkies, or/and casual fans.

No, as far as I can tell, the movie mostly does well with trekkies. Casual fans as well, but most are still trekkies I believe.

 

[IndyJones]

Sorry, no malice intended, but I think the film is doing well with non-Trekkies, or/and casual fans.

I guess you could say that.

In poll in this forum, 87% of voters rated it above average or excellent. I would assume people in this forum are more than casual fans...

 

[Greg Cox]

And now for the really scary question: In the future are we going to have to call the Star Trek we knew "Star Trek:TOU" (The Original Universe) and if so are the new Star Trek movies really even Star Trek movies anymore?

Yes and yes.

I couldn't put it better myself!

 

[bismarck_1892]

Sorry, no malice intended, but I think the film is doing well with non-Trekkies, or/and casual fans.

I guess you could say that.

In poll in this forum, 87% of voters rated it above average or excellent. I would assume people in this forum are more than casual fans...

I thought so before. I don't know. I must be a purist because I expected a far more negative response from the posters. Oh well everyone is entitled to their opinion, and there is no accounting for taste.

 

[EnsignRicky]

I've decided that I'm just not going to get worked up over a fan film. It was a very entertaining movie and a fairly enthusiastic tribute to a beloved show; but aside from that, I don't see it having any negative impact on my enjoyment of all that has come before.

 

[Qonos]

Dude... just enjoy the entertainment, ok? It's just a fuckin' movie.. and a very entertaining one at that. Can't you just take that?

I came to talk on this forum because my other forum is usually rude when somebody is just trying to speak their mind. I'd hope there wouldn't be that here.

Look, no I can't just enjoy it because I don't know what it was, was it a Star Trek movie or wasn't it? I don't go to the theater like it's a fireworks show to just watch and then leave ignoring the story of the thing I just watched because that was never the point.

No, I watch it as a story. And as a story it matters to me whether or not this was a Star Trek movie and I really don't know if it was or not.

It was a Star Trek movie, done by a new creative team, using some new Ideas and some old Ideas. Think of it like going and Reading the X-men comics and they have Chris Claremont writing, then his contract ends and J. Michael Stazinsky begins to write the X-men. There's going to be changes because it's a new writer with new Ideas. That's what happened here. It's still Star Trek, but with new fresh writers who decided to take it into a different direction. I don't see how anyone can be confused by that because Star Trek is the spirit of the show and not the canon.

 

[Dar70]

Dude... just enjoy the entertainment, ok? It's just a fuckin' movie.. and a very entertaining one at that. Can't you just take that?

Yeah-what he said although I would not have said it that way. I think a lot of fans take trek way to seriously. My favorite series is the original series and I got 79 episodes and 6 films featuring those characters so I am content with that part of my past that loves the original show. It's time to let all those comparisons go because the trek that I loved is there but its gone as well. Star Trek will always be in my heart as I have so many fond memoirs of the show, those characters and the actors but nothing lasts forever. Fans need to love their special show and stop comparing everything that comes out trek next to it. You know, you can like both.

True you can like both. But even as a standalone film I think it was mediocre at best. It felt rushed and sloppy. I went in with an open mind and came out with a disappointed mind.

 

[VulcanJedi]

Sorry, no malice intended, but I think the film is doing well with non-Trekkies, or/and casual fans.

I guess you could say that.

In poll in this forum, 87% of voters rated it above average or excellent. I would assume people in this forum are more than casual fans...

I thought so before. I don't know. I must be a purist because I expected a far more negative response from the posters. Oh well everyone is entitled to their opinion, and there is no accounting for taste.

That means only 13% of the TrekBBS viewers are PURE fans.

There was far more to this film than BANG! WHOOSH! BOOM!

I say action and "KABOOM" are part of real life. Some of the greatest movies of all time have lots of boom. The mistake Hollywood has made in years past is to fill a film with BOOM and think---there ya go! Abrams doesn't do that!

Saving Private Ryan--Band of Brothers-----Alfred Hitchcock films---Matlock----Walker---okay nevermind.

Abram's Star Trek dealt with real-life issues like---childbirth, family, a mother's love, fatherhood, courage, faith and suffering--all of these issues were covered in the new movie and they are not stupid issues at all. The movie was not just KABOOM! The movie was more than neato explosions. People like this movie because it was far more than mindless booms---it was about what it's like to be human.

It was more like this: KABOOM! MOTHER'S LOVE! CHILDBIRTH! BOOM! KABOOM! TIME TRAVEL! WHOOOSH! FATHER ISSUES! BOOM! OVERCOMING FEAR! KABOOM! LOVE! WHOOSH! KABOOM! FIZZLE! SHIZZLE! BOOM! FRIENDSHIP! FUN! whoooOOOOOOOSSHHH!

 

[CheapJeep]

Joe40001,

I have a better word for you: gutless.

If a man steals a brand name like Coke or Nike or Lambourghini someone will take notice quickly and he will be a lot poorer by week's end.

If someone takes a storyline called Star Trek and trashes the original characters it's call 'reinventing the franchise'.

And it's gutless because Abrams couldn't redo from his own material, he had to steal character personalities and all the rest while somehow seeking to legitimize it by linkage to the old story.

I find Bones and Scotty to be waaaaaay beyond silly and Uhura's femme issues to be the ultimate insult to Kirk the constant apologist scumbag. And that's all fine and good. Because he Abrams could reinvent all he wanted and only create something which will be forgotten as soon as the shallowness of his plots become repetitively obvious even to the short bus brigade I will call 'nu fans'.

If you want to maintain association with the franchise as a continuum, you shouldn't steal other peoples better done work so that you can thrash to your contrived convenience.

If you want to make a decent, 'original', storyline, you probably should NOT rehash an overly abused trope within the existing melieu.

And while I care not a whisker about how Nimoy goes out, I would have liked to have seen _THE FEDERATION_ on trial. As a force of socialist-conformist idiots who finally run into something they just can't sophist philosophize around with a phaser in their back pocket just in case.

You want apocalypse? SHOW IT. Don't slime it under the door.

I swear, I watch the 'everyone is safe so long as they are PC and dress like good little Nazis in Red Jumpsuits' and I wanna puke. Because Star Trek has traditionally had one of the lamest evoked societal backgrounds possible and now they are going into this 21st Century ideal of 'modern issues' with the attitude of an Inquisition.

You want something new? Blow it up. Earth First. Disease, war, hostile first contact, whatever. But then move ahead another 5 centuries and show us what happens /after/ when the scattered remnants of humanity at least have developed an internally consistent (i.e. Like TOS, individualized) social order and we are the intruders on their lives.

As is, all I see is a talentless moron trashing cars as aesthetic class and Vulcans as plot logic. And it makes me sad to see the cheering mob go for it simply so that they can say 'this is OUR Star Trek, not yours...'

Yet right you gutless worms. You think about what it means when you enjoy pretending to apply your values to a character that is 40 years out of date as the only thing you can identify with that is both Trek and 'easy' (no creative talent required because you have no cultural self-identity left) and then, maybe, we'll talk.

And yes, this film Royally S&B'd.

Rant Mode Off.


CJ