I don't care anymore, and neither does anyone else.

[JuanBolio]

Re: I don't care anymore, and nobody else cares (that I don't)

the recent photos and EW article confirm what I've suspected most about this film and about JJ's involvement: No one involved in this film believes in any part of "Star Trek," from the original to it's later spin-offs.

How do you conclude this?

They've gone out of their way to make this look nothing like any version of Star Trek. I'd be surprised if everything else were the same.

Why bother with keeping any of the tropes of the original (humanoid aliens, "clean" sets and vehicle design, colored tunics, miniskirts) when you outright claim that this isn't going to be anything like what has come before, except in "spirit?"

Why do you outright proclaim that this "isn't for Star Trek fans" and is instead for "movie fans?"

I would assume that it's for marketing purposes. I don't see anything wrong with that. I also don't see anything wrong with you skipping this movie if it offends you. I chose not to go to the theaters to see Nemesis, so I know how you feel, but I plan on seeing this one on the big screen.

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I want to see Trek done well and intelligently. I just don't want it packaged in the same way as everything else in an attempt to be "modern." I don't want to be talked down to by the people who depend on my support of this film.

I'm glad you appear to understand this. Like the title says, nobody else cares.

We don't yet know that it isn't being done well and intelligently. I don't feel talked down to at all, and I'm quite surprised that anyone does.

 

[seigezunt]

Re: I don't care anymore, and nobody else cares (that I don't)

I'm unclear how you getbthis from a few photos.

It obviously can't be the same, because the original actors are old/dead, and it just wouldn't fly with new audiences if it had a 60s design down to the last detail.

I have nothing to go on yet to determine if this will betray the TOS that I loved since I started watching reruns in 1973.

 

[Eric Cheung]

I left Star Trek for a few years when I got bored with VOY in the middle of its fourth season. I still watched DS9, but I only caught a few episodes of ENT until I rediscovered it immediately following cancellation.

So, speaking as someone who is perfectly willing to leave Trek if I don't like it, what I've seen so far matches my expectations at the very least. Would I have preferred the bridge to look a little more like the bridge from "In a Mirror, Darkly" or New Voyages, but with better materials? Of course. I think many of us would. That said, I had no realistic expectation that this would be the case.

Star Trek is about more than its effects and sets and costumes. It really is about hope and optimism and family and the tension between emotion and logic. To read some denial of that thesis in these pictures is totally premature, not to mention that it contradicts your signature. If you'd rather you could wait until you see it for free on television, because you probably will out of curiosity. But when you do that years from now, you may regret missing it on the big screen just because it didn't look enough like TOS. Or you may not. So many movies look great but don't connect and just as many don't look like much but upon viewing them are engaging and immersive.

And anyway, it does look about as different from current sci-fi as TOS did from its contemporaries such as Lost in Space, Doctor Who, The Twilight Zone, Mission: Impossible, The Avengers, Batman, The Prisoner, etc.

We've also been quite spoiled so far in that Star Trek: The Original Series has never been remade. And which sci-fi movies and pop action movies do these pictures look like exactly? I can't figure it out. I can't even recall that many space movies that have come out lately. It seems that most of the blockbusters are superhero movies or fantasies or dystopian films set sometime within the next few years. The only thing I could compare that bridge to is a Star Trek set. It doesn't really look like anything else in my mind.

Everyone who's seen the film so far has been awed by it, even people who had nothing to gain by false praise. To me that warrants my attendance.

 

[Amaris]

Re: I don't care anymore, and nobody else cares (that I don't)

the recent photos and EW article confirm what I've suspected most about this film and about JJ's involvement: No one involved in this film believes in any part of "Star Trek," from the original to it's later spin-offs.

How do you conclude this?

They've gone out of their way to make this look nothing like any version of Star Trek. I'd be surprised if everything else were the same.

Why bother with keeping any of the tropes of the original (humanoid aliens, "clean" sets and vehicle design, colored tunics, miniskirts) when you outright claim that this isn't going to be anything like what has come before, except in "spirit?"

Why do you outright proclaim that this "isn't for Star Trek fans" and is instead for "movie fans?"

I would assume that it's for marketing purposes. I don't see anything wrong with that. I also don't see anything wrong with you skipping this movie if it offends you. I chose not to go to the theaters to see Nemesis, so I know how you feel, but I plan on seeing this one on the big screen.

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I want to see Trek done well and intelligently. I just don't want it packaged in the same way as everything else in an attempt to be "modern." I don't want to be talked down to by the people who depend on my support of this film.

I'm glad you appear to understand this. Like the title says, nobody else cares.

How do you know as of yet, that the way they're setting this up that it won't be well done and intelligently written and acted? A few stills give away nothing. You've taken a sip of tea, found that first sip to be tepid, and have decided the whole cup and the decanter is awful. One little sip, and it was enough for you to make a decision? If that is how you feel, then so be it, but I don't think you're giving it a fair shake. That's your choice, and I wouldn't judge you on it. Just giving my humble opinion.

J.

 

[Newspaper Taxi]

Remember how much Star Trek: The Motion Picture resembled TOS? Maybe NuStarTrek II will be Wrath of Khan-y and look/feel more famillar. Who knows. Although I doubt it'll be as far out there as ST:TMP.

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

'Star Trek XI We have nothing to post but fear itself."

I find it ironic that a movie made with optimism at its core would bring out such fear and distrust.

 

[seigezunt]

'Star Trek XI We have nothing to post but fear itself."

I find it ironic that a movie made with optimism at its core would bring out such fear and distrust.

but remember, that's fear and distrust out of a tiny, tiny segment of the movie-going public.

 

[JuanBolio]

I think a little fear and distrust is only natural. We've been burned before, and Abrams and crew are unknown factors taking Trek in an unknown direction. To be a little apprehensive is one thing. To condemn it before you seen one second of footage is another entirely.

 

[Amaris]

'Star Trek XI We have nothing to post but fear itself."

I find it ironic that a movie made with optimism at its core would bring out such fear and distrust.

but remember, that's fear and distrust out of a tiny, tiny segment of the movie-going public.

A very, very tiny, tiny segment of the movie-going public.


J.

 

[zenophite]

If i want intelligent I'll stick to books - when it comes to movies I just want some enjoyable escapism with a mildly interesting storyline. To hell with canon.

 

[Sector 7]

Re: I don't care anymore, and nobody else cares (that I don't)

If you want to make something that is respectful to Star Trek's "spirit," make your own damn film.

He did. I guess JJ Abrams took your advice and made his "own damn film". Up until that point I was interested in your position. That part lessens my interest greatly.

 

[JuanBolio]

Re: I don't care anymore, and nobody else cares (that I don't)

If you want to make something that is respectful to Star Trek's "spirit," make your own damn film.

He did. I guess JJ Abrams took your advice and made his "own damn film". Up until that point I was interested in your position. That part lessens my interest greatly.

Well said.

 

[zenophite]

What the fuck is this star trek spirit i'm always hearing about?

 

[RoJoHen]

Re: I don't care anymore, and nobody else cares (that I don't)

I just don't understand the entire argument of this thread.

What exactly does "Star Trek" look like? TOS looks nothing like TMP, and TMP looks nothing like the rest of the movies. None of that looks anything like TNG, DS9, or VOY, and the only reason those look remotely similar is because they take place at the same time. And Enterprise looks nothing like any of them.

Does the bridge set look like the TOS set? Not really. It has a similar layout, but the materials and color scheme are different. The uniforms are more or less the same.

And frankly, if Leonard Nimoy was okay with the movie and the direction it was taking, that says more to me than anything JJ Abrams could ever say.

 

[JuanBolio]

Re: I don't care anymore, and nobody else cares (that I don't)

I just don't understand the entire argument of this thread.

What exactly does "Star Trek" look like? TOS looks nothing like TMP, and TMP looks nothing like the rest of the movies. None of that looks anything like TNG, DS9, or VOY, and the only reason those look remotely similar is because they take place at the same time. And Enterprise looks nothing like any of them.

Does the bridge set look like the TOS set? Not really. It has a similar layout, but the materials and color scheme are different. The uniforms are more or less the same.

And frankly, if Leonard Nimoy was okay with the movie and the direction it was taking, that says more to me than anything JJ Abrams could ever say.

Also well said.

 

[cardinal biggles]

What the fuck is this star trek spirit i'm always hearing about?

It's in a brown paper bag under the passenger seat.

 

[Saga]

if you don't care and we don't care then why are we still discussing this? paradox!

 

[Gojira]

to judge a film based only on a few pictures is not logical.

Amen. What amazes me is that so many people had already decided against this movie even before these pictures came out and even before they have seen the movie itself.

For the majority of the close minded people who already were against this movie all the pictures have done was to create an opportunity for them to justify and rationalize their already solidified attitudes.

 

[seigezunt]

to judge a film based only on a few pictures is not logical.

Amen. What amazes me is that so many people had already decided against this movie even before these pictures came out and even before they have seen the movie itself.

For the majority of the close minded people who already were against this movie all the pictures have done was to create an opportunity for them to justify and rationalize their already solidified attitudes.

but then there were critics who said that this was going to be a complete reboot stem to stern, which the pix refute.

 

[Gojira]

to judge a film based only on a few pictures is not logical.

Amen. What amazes me is that so many people had already decided against this movie even before these pictures came out and even before they have seen the movie itself.

For the majority of the close minded people who already were against this movie all the pictures have done was to create an opportunity for them to justify and rationalize their already solidified attitudes.

but then there were critics who said that this was going to be a complete reboot stem to stern, which the pix refute.

I had heard that they were going to be respectful of canon, although that is a vague term. From what I have seen they have been faithful to the spirit of Trek while simultaneously being innovative and creative.