I disliked the final ep of Voyager

[Ezri II]

The ending of Voyager was strange. Still, I cannot really think of a better ending of the show. If a quarter of the final season was dealing with how to get home it would have been better then having the Borg play a part.

The Borg was a problem. With Picard it was the problem with Q that made the Enterprise meet up with the Borg more than 2 years away with Max warp. It also did take 2 years for the Borg to get to Earth. Why would the Borg take 2 years when they can get there within days? And, can bring a fleet of cubes to Earth then a single ship. Oh ya, to take care of this problem Janeway placed a virus that destroyed the technology.

REBOOT REBOOT!

 

[Alex1939]

Let's see...


Go back in time to save the crew of voyager.... check.


Forget the crew that died during the first 7 years (or seasons or who cares) because they don't matter.... check.



That alone ruined the ending.


Every scene with Janeway talking to Janeway made me cringe.


Oh well, I hated this series anyways. But I will say it produced a dozen or so great shows in 7 years, which is something I guess.

 

[Falcor5]

Let's see...

Forget the crew that died during the first 7 years (or seasons or who cares) because they don't matter.... check.

That is a good point why was future Janeway not feeling guilty about all the crew she had lost up to the point where she came back? Shouldnt she have come back in time further to save those crew members as well?

 

[exodus]

Let's see...

Forget the crew that died during the first 7 years (or seasons or who cares) because they don't matter.... check.

That is a good point why was future Janeway not feeling guilty about all the crew she had lost up to the point where she came back? Shouldnt she have come back in time further to save those crew members as well?

She couldn't which is why they made a stern point of explaining that the transwarp hub was the best and fastest way of getting the rest of the crew home. We watched the show for 7 years, so we should know there wasn't any other oppertunity of saving the dead and still getting them all home.

Besides, those crewmen died honorably doing what soldiers are trained to do. They died in duty to Starfleet, they wouldn't want you or the captain feeling sorry for them. They'd want to be honored knowing they didn't die in vein. That is the life of a Starfleet Officer and what it means to serve your country/Federation.

 

[Alex1939]

Besides, those crewmen died honorably doing what soldiers are trained to do. They died in duty to Starfleet, they wouldn't want you or the captain feeling sorry for them. They'd want to be honored knowing they didn't die in vein. That is the life of a Starfleet Officer and what it means to serve your country/Federation.

So, why go back at all then? The Voyager eventually made it back to the alpha quadrant. The people that died during the next however many years were also just Starfleet officers doing their duty. The Federation, at least as it appeared in the episode, was still in strong condition in the future shown.


How could there be any guarantee that by changing history and having the Voyager arrive home sooner, that it would not somehow result in the destruction of the federation?


I don't see any moral high ground for Janeway's decision in the show's finale.

 

[TheGodBen]

So instead of not getting a reunion in the finale, we get an ending where all of the 7 years we watched never happened.

Seriously, that's your answer for a better ending?

Seriously, read the damn thread. That question was posed to me in the very next post and I already answered it:

I'm not suggesting that they should have done that, that would have been almost as bad. My point was that by using time travel as a plot device the way they did the writers open themselves up to these questions.

I was not saying that they should have invalidated the whole show, I was saying that they shouldn't have used time-travel to get the ship home at all.

 

[Ezri II]

What if Voyager never got back to Earth!

The final show could show Voyager being destroyed.

This will make some people upset but so what.

Voyager was not going to be made into a movie. And the cast and crew did not care to be in a movie.

 

[Akiraprise]

I actually never wanted Voyager to get home. I would have been fine with them having to head back to the DQ after destroying the transwarp hub. VOY was more about the journey getting home then actually getting there, at least to me.

 

[Ezri II]

I actually never wanted Voyager to get home. I would have been fine with them having to head back to the DQ after destroying the transwarp hub. VOY was more about the journey getting home then actually getting there, at least to me.

GOOD!!

If the show did not get home they could make a movie on the return home.

It is so sad that Voyager, DS9 and Enterprise were not design to have an after market with movies.

 

[Lucy of Nine]

I would have liked to see Voyager return home, without time travel (or Borg), and it should have been wrapped up in at least the last 4 or 5 eps, or at least started to look that way halfway through the season. Final ep would have been awesome seeing them all back on Earth and then being sent off again on a mission together...
Ok I may be corny, but thats my dream ending.

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

I actually never wanted Voyager to get home. I would have been fine with them having to head back to the DQ after destroying the transwarp hub. VOY was more about the journey getting home then actually getting there, at least to me.

GOOD!!

If the show did not get home they could make a movie on the return home.

It is so sad that Voyager, DS9 and Enterprise were not design to have an after market with movies.

There was no market for these movies. Nor will there ever be (probably). Each show's audience and ratings were nothing compared to TNG and TOS (re-runs). I'm glad that they wrapped the shows up on tv rather than leave the handful of fans desperately hopeful and angry that there wasn't any closure.

I mean, esp with Voyager, with as many times as we were teased about the ship getting home... man, I'd have felt like I'd wasted 7 years of my life. After all that, and the ship doesn't even make it???? Terrible on so many levels. Terrible way to end that show.

 

[exodus]

Besides, those crewmen died honorably doing what soldiers are trained to do. They died in duty to Starfleet, they wouldn't want you or the captain feeling sorry for them. They'd want to be honored knowing they didn't die in vein. That is the life of a Starfleet Officer and what it means to serve your country/Federation.

So, why go back at all then? The Voyager eventually made it back to the alpha quadrant. The people that died during the next however many years were also just Starfleet officers doing their duty. The Federation, at least as it appeared in the episode, was still in strong condition in the future shown.


How could there be any guarantee that by changing history and having the Voyager arrive home sooner, that it would not somehow result in the destruction of the federation?


I don't see any moral high ground for Janeway's decision in the show's finale.

I don't understand how one ship getting home a few years sooner ruins the foundation of the Federation? If Adm. Janeway never showed up & Voyager still went thru the Hub, what would be the difference in the out come? Nothing, it would still be the same.

Sorry Godben, not everybody has the time to read all the replies in every post they enter. Sorry again if that upsets you.

 

[Ezri II]

I actually never wanted Voyager to get home. I would have been fine with them having to head back to the DQ after destroying the transwarp hub. VOY was more about the journey getting home then actually getting there, at least to me.

GOOD!!

If the show did not get home they could make a movie on the return home.

It is so sad that Voyager, DS9 and Enterprise were not design to have an after market with movies.

There was no market for these movies. Nor will there ever be (probably). Each show's audience and ratings were nothing compared to TNG and TOS (re-runs). I'm glad that they wrapped the shows up on tv rather than leave the handful of fans desperately hopeful and angry that there wasn't any closure.

I mean, esp with Voyager, with as many times as we were teased about the ship getting home... man, I'd have felt like I'd wasted 7 years of my life. After all that, and the ship doesn't even make it???? Terrible on so many levels. Terrible way to end that show.

Did they really get home in the way we wanted? They could have crashed in Roswell New Mexico.

 

[exodus]

GOOD!!

If the show did not get home they could make a movie on the return home.

It is so sad that Voyager, DS9 and Enterprise were not design to have an after market with movies.

There was no market for these movies. Nor will there ever be (probably). Each show's audience and ratings were nothing compared to TNG and TOS (re-runs). I'm glad that they wrapped the shows up on tv rather than leave the handful of fans desperately hopeful and angry that there wasn't any closure.

I mean, esp with Voyager, with as many times as we were teased about the ship getting home... man, I'd have felt like I'd wasted 7 years of my life. After all that, and the ship doesn't even make it???? Terrible on so many levels. Terrible way to end that show.

Did they really get home in the way we wanted? They could have crashed in Roswell New Mexico.

Quark, Rom & Nog already beat them to that claim to fame.

 

[Ezri II]

Did they really get home in the way we wanted? They could have crashed in Roswell New Mexico.

Quark, Rom & Nog already beat them to that claim to fame.

That is right. What about if they crash into the water under the Goldengate bridge and the ship starts to sink. The crew gets out but 7 of 9 is trapped in the ship. Janeway goes back to the ship and frees 7 of 9. Janeway returns to the crew and asks why 7 of 9 is not singing yet. After 7 of 9 sings the storm clouds dissolve and the alian probe leaves Earth.

 

[exodus]

Did they really get home in the way we wanted? They could have crashed in Roswell New Mexico.

Quark, Rom & Nog already beat them to that claim to fame.

That is right. What about if they crash into the water under the Goldengate bridge and the ship starts to sink. The crew gets out but 7 of 9 is trapped in the ship. Janeway goes back to the ship and frees 7 of 9. Janeway returns to the crew and asks why 7 of 9 is not singing yet. After 7 of 9 sings the storm clouds dissolve and the alian probe leaves Earth.

Isn't that part of SeaQuest?

 

[Alex1939]

If Adm. Janeway never showed up & Voyager still went thru the Hub, what would be the difference in the out come?

I'm confused, if Admiral Janeway never showed up, then the Voyager NEVER would've went through the hub, and things would be different.


I don't see how there could be any different viewpoint.

 

[exodus]

If Adm. Janeway never showed up & Voyager still went thru the Hub, what would be the difference in the out come?

I'm confused, if Admiral Janeway never showed up, then the Voyager NEVER would've went through the hub, and things would be different.


I don't see how there could be any different viewpoint.

For the sake of arguement, let's just say they did. What really would have changed bringing Voyager home at that point in time?

 

[Alex1939]

For the sake of arguement, let's just say they did. What really would have changed bringing Voyager home at that point in time?

Not sure exactly what you are asking. If Voyager had decided to go through the Hub without the insistence of Admiral Janeway?

My simple answer would be: They wouldn't have changed their mind and went through the hub.

To look a little deeper, if Admiral Janeway hadn't hooked them up with future tech, then they'd probably died and not made it home attempting to use the Hub.





Now, let's take a realistic argument that any Admiral should have against Janeway's actions...

Maybe going back in time, going through the hub, re-invigorates the Borg's decision that humanity must be destroyed. Perhaps now, the Borg uses all it's resources for the purpose of taking/destroying Earth and the Federation.

Seems like a giant risk to take, and for what payoff? To get one crew aboard one ship home years earlier. Doesn't seem worth the risk of the potential negative consequences.

 

[exodus]

For the sake of arguement, let's just say they did. What really would have changed bringing Voyager home at that point in time?

Not sure exactly what you are asking. If Voyager had decided to go through the Hub without the insistence of Admiral Janeway?

My simple answer would be: They wouldn't have changed their mind and went through the hub.

To look a little deeper, if Admiral Janeway hadn't hooked them up with future tech, then they'd probably died and not made it home attempting to use the Hub.





Now, let's take a realistic argument that any Admiral should have against Janeway's actions...

Maybe going back in time, going through the hub, re-invigorates the Borg's decision that humanity must be destroyed. Perhaps now, the Borg uses all it's resources for the purpose of taking/destroying Earth and the Federation.

Seems like a giant risk to take, and for what payoff? To get one crew aboard one ship home years earlier. Doesn't seem worth the risk of the potential negative consequences.

How would the Borg do that if the hub, uni-matrix complex and billions upon billions of Borg were destroyed?

I would think it would take the Borg many years to recover, much like Federation has to recover after the Dominion war. Janeway didn't make it worse, she leveled the playing field.