You think in such three-dimensional terms
A younger, less-delusional Braxton could have easily gone back in time!
Exactly.
I disliked the final ep of Voyager
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Exactly.
I think it was the studio that wouldn't let them -- because she would have to be paid a full episode salary for that episode if they used her clips. But I'm also only half-remembering. The information is in the Deep Space Nine Companion for sure.
If she did, would they know?
If she did, would they know?
True for you. And the beings who died needlessly sure wouldn't know. Mirtai (sp?) had to grow up twice.
exodus, had you heard this? (From Memory Alpha):
In an interview with Trekmovie.com, Star Trek: Enterprise writers Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens revealed that they had pitched a story to Krige for an episode of Enterprise. The episode would have featured the birth of the Borg Queen, with Krige portraying a Starfleet medical technician who made contact with the Borg from "Regeneration", which would assimilate her thus transforming her into the Queen. However, Enterprise was canceled before the episode could be further developed.
In an interview with Trekmovie.com, Star Trek: Enterprise writers Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens revealed that they had pitched a story to Krige for an episode of Enterprise. The episode would have featured the birth of the Borg Queen, with Krige portraying a Starfleet medical technician who made contact with the Borg from "Regeneration", which would assimilate her thus transforming her into the Queen. However, Enterprise was canceled before the episode could be further developed.
The Devil is in the Details, Time travel when done right, can be a great vehicle for a show, or it can just be an excuse for lazy writers looking for a easy way to get a script out. In Voyagers ending episode, I did like the way it was used, Janeway was not going to get the crew home for another 16 years, the episode needed a way besides finding a worm-hole leading back to the AQ. What would have been cool is if they found a worm-hole that lead to the GQ, pretty close to the Bajorian W/H then they could have just appeared at DS-9, now that would have blown the people on DS-9 away. Anyway, they needed another way home, and in this case time travel provided it...
Resistance is Futile
Resistance is Futile
I didn't mind it when I first watched it (I think I was around 15), but I happened to watch it a few months ago because of my on demand services. I must say I was disappointed.
It was good to see what the future could be like in the Star Trek universe, Reg never making it above the rank of Lieutenant amused me slightly. But the thing that annoyed me is something that's probably been discussed a thousand times is why didn't Janeway travel to a time before Voyager was launched and stop the whole 7 years lost in the Delta quadrent. Sure you could argue about all the information they gathered over the years but that would be the same for if she didn't go back in time.
It's a bit selfish to go back in time just to save Seven and restore Tuvok's sanity. What about the crew that died under her command? She didn't think twice about them.
It was good to see what the future could be like in the Star Trek universe, Reg never making it above the rank of Lieutenant amused me slightly. But the thing that annoyed me is something that's probably been discussed a thousand times is why didn't Janeway travel to a time before Voyager was launched and stop the whole 7 years lost in the Delta quadrent. Sure you could argue about all the information they gathered over the years but that would be the same for if she didn't go back in time.
It's a bit selfish to go back in time just to save Seven and restore Tuvok's sanity. What about the crew that died under her command? She didn't think twice about them.
But seven would never have been liberated from the borg.
Kes would never have escpaed from the Kazon
B'elanna and Tom would never had got together and had Mirrial
Kes would never have escpaed from the Kazon
B'elanna and Tom would never had got together and had Mirrial
Interesting and yet corny at the same time.
Corny in the fact that she would be someone within Starfleet considering all the other species the Borg would have encountered along the way.
I always figured the Borg origin and the Queen would be the result of "Grey Goop". "Grey Goop" is the nickname given to our own governments scientific rescearch into A.I. nano-technology. Their hope is to use such nano-tech. in the future for medical rescearch. However, the concern is how to you control an A.I. technology from adapting and growing beyond it's programming and attacking or taking over other cells within the body?
I believe this is the theory that inspired B&B to create the idea of the Borg using nanoprobes for various reasons. So in essance, Seven's use of her nanos are actually based upon real life scientific theory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanotechnology
I believe this rescearch was also being done by a species within the Detla Quad. and the nano-tech took over and consumed them thus giving birth to the Borg.
^ ^ The starfleet angle on that bothered me a bit; the other Borg queen already said what number her species was, and I didn't picture it being from the Alpha Quadrant.
The queen in Unimatrix Zero told a little boy there that her parents were in the collective with her, so I think that queen was made queen long after the Borg started assimilating species.
The queen in Unimatrix Zero told a little boy there that her parents were in the collective with her, so I think that queen was made queen long after the Borg started assimilating species.
I can see that, considering the Queens job is to "co-ordinate" the collective, they wouldn't need to be co-ordinated until there were hundrends of them.
Lt Carey wouldn't have died. Ensign Hogan wouldn't have died. Suder and his victims wouldn't have died. Capt Braxton wouldn't have lost his mind. Admiral Janeway picked a point in time to save Seven and Tuvok, she didn't give a damn about anybody else on her ship.
I thought Endgame was a perfect ending to Voyager; boring, mindless and ultimately pointless. They could have done something interesting and unique, instead they relied upon time travel and the Borg. That is Voyager in a nut-shell. TATV was a bad finale, but at least I could understand what they were trying to do. I'll never understand the point of Endgame.
I also take issue with the title of the episode. All Good Things... was a great title. What You Leave Behind was good too. These Are The Voyages... bad episode, good title. The Undiscovered Country (the real finale of TOS), great title. Endgame? Did they even put any thought into it?
^^ haha, yeah, they should've just called it "Game Over" or "The Last Episode"
but I think the message that old Janeway was trying to convey (not very well) was that from here on out (Endgame and forward), the cons would outweigh the pros in Voyager's journey. Sure, they lost some crewmen before, but they did a lot of "good" in the DQ. The remainder of the journey was full of death, doom and gloom, and few positive results.
Not to mention, Voyager hadn't lost any main cast members (the only ones that count), and Seven could not die since the entire last two seasons should've just been called "The Janeway and Seven Show"
Also, 7 seasons were up, and that meant that no matter what, they got home
but I think the message that old Janeway was trying to convey (not very well) was that from here on out (Endgame and forward), the cons would outweigh the pros in Voyager's journey. Sure, they lost some crewmen before, but they did a lot of "good" in the DQ. The remainder of the journey was full of death, doom and gloom, and few positive results.
Not to mention, Voyager hadn't lost any main cast members (the only ones that count), and Seven could not die since the entire last two seasons should've just been called "The Janeway and Seven Show"
Also, 7 seasons were up, and that meant that no matter what, they got home
"Endgame" is another word for checkmate, which makes perfect sense considering the main part was the showdown between Janeway & the Borg Queen.
That's an interesting way to put it, and something I hadn't considered before. Still, it's not really something she should have decided on her own. It did send the message that some people were more important than others on Voyager, and that Voyager's crew itself was more important than all the lives she affected when she changed the timeline.
Which is why it's a popular title for many plays, movies, books, etc including a play by Samuel Beckett. I have to agree as titles go it's not at all original.
Because the crew became the only family Janeway had.
She lost Mark to another woman, she lost Chakotay to Seven and then lost both of them too but even so, Chakotay & Tuvok were her good friends & Seven became the daughter she would never have. That was the point of her saying: "Our family isn't complete." Tom & Be'Lanna had each other plus a child. The Doc. became respected and had a wife. Kim got what he wanted, a career as captain.
Janeway did all she did to get them home but what did she come home too? She came home to an empty house, Janeway lost her future in the Delta Quaderant. She had to go back, she had to bring her family back with her.
I can just imagine Janeway going to speak with Carey's widow using that argument.
Janeway: I'm so sorry for your loss. It's so ironic that after ignoring him for six years I finally decided to include him in a mission, and he ended up dying.
Widow: You said a future you came back to help you get home. Why didn't she come back a few weeks earlier to save my husband?
Janeway: Well my future self said that only dark things would happen after the point where she decided to help us.
Widow: Why didn't she go back to the very start of your mission and help you get home right away?
Janeway: Well there is this Borg woman we rescued from the collective...
Widow: So this Borg woman is more important to you than my husband?
Janeway: Weeeeell...
Widow: Does this Borg woman have a husband or kids?
Janeway: Nope, all her immediate family are dead or assimilated.
Widow: So you thought it was more important to rescue this woman with no family than it was for my kids to see their father again?! Do you have any idea what you put us through? We thought he was dead for years! Do you have any idea what it is like having to tell your children that their father isn't coming home? And then he shows up alive. It was the happiest I've ever seen my kids! They missed their father so much! And now you tell me that he's dead because of an arbitrary decision that you made?!!
Janeway: To be fair, you haven't seen this Borg chick in a cat-suit!
Widow: You are a horrible person!!
Janeway:And yet I've been promoted to Admiral.
Well to me it sounds like a hackney one-word title. I don't like the use of one-word titles, I think it's a symptom of lack of imagination. Some episodes deserve cool-sounding one word titles, Scorpion for example, but I noticed quite a lot during Voyager's final seasons. Enterprise too.
Read my play above. If that was Janeway's motivation then she was completely self-centred.
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