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I didn't want to post this, but I feel I should...

propita

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I did not pass the Bar exam. I just couldn't let you guys know for a while--dealing with the self-recriminations and embarrassment.

I came close. If I had done as well as I had thought I did on just the performance tests, that would've been more than enough. I couldn't even recognize that I did that bad--and I usually know when I screw up. Instead, across the board, I was juuuuust a bit too low. Systemic problem. Even my worst in law school was 8-10 points above what is needed to pass the Bar.

I was shocked. Hubby was so shocked that he became physically ill a day later with concern for me. For me! He was that worried about me, that this would blow the self-confidence I had worked so hard to get--or screw my blood pressure way too much. As it was, he had me take an extra blood pressure med that night when my bp (with me upset but appearing calm) read 180/110.

My profs are shocked. This was not what they expected either. Yes, I went in believing I would fail (had been thinking that for weeks)--but after the first morning, I thought I had nailed it. This is typical for me--or was typical. After the Bar, I finally built some self-confidence--enough that my shrink said I should cut my dosage of anti-depressant in half, working towards me being off it. So the "I'm going to fail" is no longer pervasive, and for the first time, I could use past successes to help with current challenges.

So the timing of not passing pretty much sucks. I'm trying to take it as a test of my new-found confidence and move forward. Honestly, if I could have only one, self-confidence OR pass the Bar, I'll take the self-confidence.

We're wondering if my health problems contributed (my hypothyroidism has not stabilized and my dosage has been increased (again!) since the Bar. I've asked if I'm "alibi-ing" with this, but have been told by a few whose opinions I can trust (not just agreeing?) that they had noticed my lessened ability to focus and think since this problem started over a year ago.

So, now I have to decide whether I'm re-taking in February or waiting until July, when my meds will hopefully be correct and my thinking ability back to normal. I was close, so maybe without the emotions, I can do it in Feb. Of course, I'll have to re-learn everything, as I've managed to forget, of, just about all of it.
 
First time I took the advancement exam for E5 in the Navy, I missed the cut. The second time, I scored a 71 out of 80 possible points.

Don't sweat it. I am certain there are many lawyers out there who passed the bar exam on the first try but are incompetent in the courtroom.
 
Don't be ashamed, prop. It happens to a lot of people. For example, I took the CPA exam twice and failed it both times. But the difference is, I clearly was not trying very hard, my heart just wasn't in it. Yours clearly is.
 
Right. My fiancee failed one part of the Praxis I exam (for teachers) five times before finally passing it. Can you find out your weakness areas and all? Keep at it. Good luck :)
 
Thanks for being honest with us. That takes a lot of courage. My sister didn't pass the bar exam the first time she took it. She was already working at a law firm at that point so it was a really difficult time for her, but she didn't hide from it, she studied, took it again, and passed. And she's been very successful in her profession.

I understand the link between your self-confidence and the exam, but I think you have the right attitude and you should realize that your confidence can stand alone from this. You're an intelligent person, whether or not you decide to take the exam again. You've certainly already managed much more than I ever could!
 
If your professors are also shocked at the result, have you thought about requesting a remarking, with your profs backing? Probably best to get a second opinion so you can put the episode behind you and get on with a retake, if necessary.
 
An Officer said:
If your professors are also shocked at the result, have you thought about requesting a remarking, with your profs backing? Probably best to get a second opinion so you can put the episode behind you and get on with a retake, if necessary.


Remarking the test? No. But once I request and get a copy of my answers, a couple of profs have offered to review and help.

Hubby said that I tried to do barbri's method (from the bar-prep course) too much instead of sticking with my own--which I had years of proof that it worked. Relying on barprep's method had been suggested by a number of people--including a couple of profs. So I figure I'll do what I did for school (produce my outline from class notes and outlines from others), take the outlines from barprep and merge them mine.

Some nice things from all this:

As I said, this is a good test of my self-confidence and ability to not sink into depression. I'm happy with that and others have said they're happy for me and proud of me for that.

A number of classmates said to me--and to others--that they would not have passed law school without my help and my outlines.

I can tell others to avoid the mistakes I made--don't totally dump your method if it's been working. And I'll hopefully find out other mistakes once I review my answers.
 
Sorry to hear you didn't pass the bar. I've heard it's notoriously difficult; better luck next time. There's no need to be ashamed.
 
Well, I'm very sorry that you did not pass on your first try. But you will pass on your next try. You said that in school your worst was 8-10 points higher than needed to pass, so you know that you can do it. That's not a hope or a guess, it's a fact.

The important thing is to keep your health and outlook in good condition; the rest will follow in time. :)
 
An Officer said:
If your professors are also shocked at the result, have you thought about requesting a remarking, with your profs backing? Probably best to get a second opinion so you can put the episode behind you and get on with a retake, if necessary.


Remarking the test? No. But once I request and get a copy of my answers, a couple of profs have offered to review and help.

Hubby said that I tried to do barbri's method (from the bar-prep course) too much instead of sticking with my own--which I had years of proof that it worked. Relying on barprep's method had been suggested by a number of people--including a couple of profs. So I figure I'll do what I did for school (produce my outline from class notes and outlines from others), take the outlines from barprep and merge them mine.

Some nice things from all this:

As I said, this is a good test of my self-confidence and ability to not sink into depression. I'm happy with that and others have said they're happy for me and proud of me for that.

A number of classmates said to me--and to others--that they would not have passed law school without my help and my outlines.

I can tell others to avoid the mistakes I made--don't totally dump your method if it's been working. And I'll hopefully find out other mistakes once I review my answers.
I find this post to be very reassuring. You're a smart lady and I have NO doubt that you'll do very well next time. Congratulations on taking the test in the first place!
 
My best friend passed it this round.




On his FOURTH TRY!!



Chin up.

Take a break and then get back to work.

You can do it.

:techman:
 
Professional exams are always a bit of a crapshoot. Stuff like the Bar and so on is often a matter of retaking until the lottery works in your favour. You wouldn't be the first good candidate to need a retake and you won't be the last. It's a knock to the confidence but remember that you're better than the exam system. Keep plugging away, you'll get it next time.
 
I've heard the bar exams are hard as hell, and I know plenty of brilliant hard working people who don't pass it on the first few tries.

Good on you for getting through law school, taking the exam, and having the courage to even tell people the results.

I never would. I would've pretended the bar lost the results if anybody asked me. :lol:
 
Crusher Disciple said:
I've heard the bar exams are hard as hell, and I know plenty of brilliant hard working people who don't pass it on the first few tries.

Good on you for getting through law school, taking the exam, and having the courage to even tell people the results.

I never would. I would've pretended the bar lost the results if anybody asked me. :lol:


That gave me a good laugh, thanks!

I'm looking at the bright side:

I don't have to re-do my wardrobe yet, to look more professional.

I don't have to look for a "real" job yet. Which is good, because even attorney jobs are a trick to find here. The economy has treated Fresno particularly bad, almost 15% unemployment, I think. Thank god Hubby went back to school for pharmacy! Pharmacists are in demand.

I've been "interning" at the county courthouse, evaluating default judgments and minors' compromises--and recently helped write court policy! While not paid, I'd like to continue until I have to stop, either to study for the bar or because I pass it.
 
I've been "interning" at the county courthouse, evaluating default judgments and minors' compromises--and recently helped write court policy! While not paid, I'd like to continue until I have to stop, either to study for the bar or because I pass it.

This right here is going to give you a leg-up in the long run.
 
Hey, it took JFK Jr. 3 times to pass.
You can still beat him out.

No doubt you'll pull through on ALL fronts.
You go for it big time, girl!
 
An Officer said:
If your professors are also shocked at the result, have you thought about requesting a remarking, with your profs backing? Probably best to get a second opinion so you can put the episode behind you and get on with a retake, if necessary.


Remarking the test? No. But once I request and get a copy of my answers, a couple of profs have offered to review and help.

Hubby said that I tried to do barbri's method (from the bar-prep course) too much instead of sticking with my own--which I had years of proof that it worked. Relying on barprep's method had been suggested by a number of people--including a couple of profs. So I figure I'll do what I did for school (produce my outline from class notes and outlines from others), take the outlines from barprep and merge them mine.

Some nice things from all this:

As I said, this is a good test of my self-confidence and ability to not sink into depression. I'm happy with that and others have said they're happy for me and proud of me for that.

A number of classmates said to me--and to others--that they would not have passed law school without my help and my outlines.

I can tell others to avoid the mistakes I made--don't totally dump your method if it's been working. And I'll hopefully find out other mistakes once I review my answers.

Sorry you didn't pass. California is, by far, the most difficult of all the exams. From experience, waiting for that envelope is very stressful. I have to make some comments on the above however. Your professors are correct, the barbri method works. Take it from someone who has taken two bar exams and passed both.

The reason that the barbri outlines are the way they are is because the bar exam is not a law school exam. They cover different things and they are graded differently.

May I ask, how you studied for the exam the first time? I might be able to give you suggestions.
 
Sorry to hear that, but like everyone said it takes a lot of courage to post something like this. Just knock it out the next time. Standardize test suck period. I have known many professional people that failed the test in their area but later passed. Once you pass no one will care. Just knock it out t he next time.
 
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