You mean a movie where there are the original seven, Jaylah, Krall, the Swarm, Starbase Yorktown, the Franklin? There's a lot of ground to cover. I'd rather she not be there than just be a token presence so some fans don't get sad.
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You mean a movie where there are the original seven, Jaylah, Krall, the Swarm, Starbase Yorktown, the Franklin? There's a lot of ground to cover. I'd rather she not be there than just be a token presence so some fans don't get sad.
I can't really tell from what I know, not having seen the film and all, and maybe she would have, but it also sounds like Carol might not have fit in, in terms of making a good story.
Quite so. Their reasons for not using Chapel and Rand were similarly lame, something about them having considered it but not wanting to use characters just for the sake of it unless there was a good reason for them to be there and yet they find continued roles for Hendorff and Keenser and go way way waaaaay out of their way to give Chekov an expanded role (aged 4 years, transporter expert, maths genius, and engineering prodigy anyone? Janice can serve the coffee... meh, Kirk already has his Caitian hookers, why bother?).
[EDIT: After what happened I am nonetheless pleased that Yelchin was given a decent role; I make the point only that their reasons for not using the women were weak]
A hell of a lot of subconscious and even overt sexism seems to be prevalent in Trek. If they're not being wooed by a man or stripping to their pants (this happens in BOTH movies!!), why do any of these women need to be there? There is a reluctance or an inability to treat the women as just members of the crew. They need something extra to be worthy of inclusion it seems.
I'll reserve final judgment until after I've seen the movie, obviously. I'm not expecting the admiral to be in her underwear. I was initially a bit scathing of the Expanse too, but they pulled it back after the first couple of episodes and won me over with their wider casting in later episodes.
It is awful that they didn't manage to make room for Chapel and Rand - and that wretched excuse that Chapel left the Enterprise after sleeping with Kirk and he didn't even remember...that added to the awkward strip scene give STID an uncomfortable misogynistic vibe. Considering the issue with Chekov's age I'd have swapped him out for Rand anyways.
And as has been said, there should be female security members and extras. The new movies are pretty bad with roles for women.
I didn't care much for new Carol - I'm quite fond of the original for what it's worth. So I won't miss her, but there should be a place for Rand and Chapel. I've even hoped that they might pair Chapel with McCoy, Urban is too good not to get more material, and a love interest would be good for him. Wasn't there talk that McCoy's ex wife was going to be in the movie?
And as has been said, there should be female security members and extras. The new movies are pretty bad with roles for women.
I didn't care much for new Carol - I'm quite fond of the original for what it's worth. So I won't miss her, but there should be a place for Rand and Chapel. I've even hoped that they might pair Chapel with McCoy, Urban is too good not to get more material, and a love interest would be good for him. Wasn't there talk that McCoy's ex wife was going to be in the movie?
Shortly after joining the crew of the Enterprise, Marcus and Kirk take up a relationship. It's passionate, but rocky at best. Neither is really "commitment material." Both are not what the other needs either, and worse, they seem to stand in the way of what each wants. Kirk has wanderlust. Carol realizes she's a researcher and not suited to deep space exploration. They are about a year into the five-year mission and becoming estranged from each other, when Marcus discovers she's pregnant. She asks Kirk for a transfer and he grants it, not knowing she's carrying his baby. Carol is granted a research fellowship at Starfleet, changing her focus to molecular biology. She wants to create, not destroy like her father wanted to do. A few months later, David is born. Over a year later, Kirk thinks little about Carol any more and has no idea he has a son.
There. There's a plausible explanation that should work for anyone who wants to use it for why she's not in the film or even mentioned in it.
There. There's a plausible explanation that should work for anyone who wants to use it for why she's not in the film or even mentioned in it.
I've never watched the deleted scenes. So I've no idea about her or the stepfather outside of the theatrical version.
You might, but I sure don't. From what you posted I don't see the "no good reason". Didn't fit with the story we're telling seems a perfectly fine reason. What would be a good reason to you?
Well, at least no one is making a fuss that the movie was directed by an Asian American and co-written by an Asian American.
It's smart that Doug Jung was shown in the Korean trailer/spot as he's Korean American
Well, then - the Fan Fiction forum is right over here.
In the meantime, if you'd be so kind as to rein in your ongoing preoccupation with putting Rand and Chapel into everything, so that this thread can return to being about the original topic of nuSulu and the recent announcement?
Ha ha sorry, the topic strayed into recurring characters due to Takei's assertion that a new gay character would have been better. One that would likely have vanished after this movie like Carol because there was no plot thread for them. Claiming ownership of a main character is better. Hendorff might have worked but he barely survived the last movie and killing your new gay character might send mixed messages!Well, then - the Fan Fiction forum is right over here.
In the meantime, if you'd be so kind as to rein in your ongoing preoccupation with putting Rand and Chapel into everything, so that this thread can return to being about the original topic of nuSulu and the recent announcement?
In my defence, if the writers would put Chapel and Rand into SOMETHING I could stop banging on about it. :-P
The STiD novelization killed him off, but the onscreen evidence and script did not address Cupcake's fate in that scene. I seem to recall Orci saying that Hendorff wasn't dead. Memory Alpha says that Hendorff is among the onscreen security detail guarding John Harrison following his capture.
I didn't spot Hendorff on Thursday, but he's listed on IMDb.
EDIT: Ah, thanks Skywalker and Cake:
Link
And more:
http://trekcore.com/blog/2016/07/cupcake-actor-surprised-he-got-to-trek-beyond/
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Alice Eve is a name actor and another large salary for the production. She is busy and her availability would need to be ascertained before the script was firmed up. Unless the script specifically required her presence, Carol wasn't needed. (She has been in the after-STiD comic from IDW, though, where Alice Eve can work for free.)
This was always the problem with shoehorning John de Lancie into one of the four TNG movies. People assumed he was being ignored, but a script written anticipating de Lancie's availablity requires immediate rewriting or recasting if he reads the script and then declines to participate. It's also why Whoopi Goldberg's roles in the films (other than "Generations") were Guinan cameos.
I'm glad Lieutenant Cupcake is alive.
I never said that. I said STiD left him alive at the end; only the novelization killed him off.
He is listed on IMDb's cast list for STB.
Edit. Ah, thank you Skywalker and Cake:
Link
And more:
http://trekcore.com/blog/2016/07/cupcake-actor-surprised-he-got-to-trek-beyond/
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Oh, sweetie. Every time a white, straight male is made a lead it's pandering. We're told again and again that many white Americans and the majority of the Asian market can't stomach much else. Every white guy I've seen in a scifi series in the last ten years has been the most boring stereotype imaginable. Get real. White dudes are no-talent, affirmative action hires the majority of the time.
I just compared each timeline's Sulu. In either timeline, he's well and truly a badass. You don't want to get him mad. With respect to Mr. Takei, I think Sulu being gay breaks stereotypes that needed to be broken. He's a guy you want to have your back in a fight. Why should he have had to be with, in Mr. Takei's words, "a Glamazon"? Is he still competing with William Shatner?
Kirk made out with himself 40 years ago.
Mirror Sulu was grabbing Mirror Uhura?
Mirror Sulu was grabbing Mirror Uhura?
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