How would you retcon Strange New Worlds?

[Dukhat]

TNG flowed naturally from TMP.

It did not with TOS. It stood at odds with the stilted dialogue, the strange posture on the bridge, the artificial way conflict was handled.

Picard and Scotty was so disjointed it was off putting.

The only thing TNG got from TMP was the reuse of the Decker and Ilia characters as Riker and Troi. Everything else, from the uniform colors, the bussard collectors, how the Enterprise flies across a planet, Worf’s Klingon sash, etc. came right from TOS.

 

[fireproof78]

The only thing TNG got from TMP was the reuse of the Decker and Ilia characters as Riker and Troi. Everything else, from the uniform colors, the bussard collectors, how the Enterprise flies across a planet, Worf’s Klingon sash, etc. came right from TOS.

The colors don't match. The use of beige was from TMP and is overdone in TNG, and the general tone is completely different.

No, it doesn't work for me as a continuation of the same world as TOS, save for Spock's description of sterility and artificially balanced atmospheres. That TNG got perfectly right.

 

[Dukhat]

The colors don't match. The use of beige was from TMP and is overdone in TNG, and the general tone is completely different.

No, it doesn't work for me as a continuation of the same world as TOS, save for Spock's description of sterility and artificially balanced atmospheres. That TNG got perfectly right.

You’re entitled to your opinion, although saying ‘the colors don’t match’ completely glosses over the fact that they used the red, blue and yellow colors at all when TMP did no such thing.

And exactly who wore a beige uniform in TNG?

 

[fireproof78]

You’re entitled to your opinion, although saying ‘the colors don’t match’ completely glosses over the fact that they used the red, blue and yellow colors at all when TMP did no such thing.

And exactly who wore a beige uniform in TNG?

Talking about beige from TMP in the sets to TNG. Just bland palette borrowing from film to series.

AND, the colors don't fit TOS. It is an unnecessary change.

But, TNG did get Shakespeare from TOS so there is that.

 

[Dukhat]

Since they reused most of the sets from the TMP films, this is a non-argument.

 

[fireproof78]

Since they reused most of the sets from the TMP films, this is a non-argument.

It's a matter of tone and feel and does this present as being from the same world. For me, it doesn't. And I probably could never fully articulate why. It's not one thing but several small things that don't all add up for me.

 

[Noname Given]

TNG was a natural extension of TOS and the TOS movies, 80 years later. It flowed together pretty well. TOS was the wild, west. TNG evolved to a more refined era, the Enterprise like a giant Marriott Resort in space.

Always enjoyed the scene of Scotty and Picard on the 1701 bridge.

As a TOS fan, I disagree- especially pertaining to the Prime Directive interpretation.

 

[Dukhat]

As a TOS fan, I disagree- especially pertaining to the Prime Directive interpretation.

That's because the TNG writers used it to their advantage rather than it being a hindrance that hamstrung the story writing as was the case in TOS.

 

[Noname Given]

That's because the TNG writers used it to their advantage rather than it being a hindrance that hamstrung the story writing as was the case in TOS.

You really haven't watched TOS as the PD was as often ignored or never mentioned and was never a hindering.

It was Berman Trek that was more often ridiculous about it.

 

[Dukhat]

You really haven't watched TOS as the PD was as often ignored or never mentioned and was never a hindering.

It was Berman Trek that was more often ridiculous about it.

I have watched TOS, and I disagree with you.

 

[fireproof78]

You really haven't watched TOS as the PD was as often ignored or never mentioned and was never a hindering.

It was Berman Trek that was more often ridiculous about it.

Berman Trek was only ridiculous because it would use it to justify letting people die and patting themselves on the back for it.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

I would like for SNW to go in a different direction rather than be slavishly beholden to a '60's TV show that it barely tries to emulate anyway (and for good reason.)

Why do we still need Pike to get into that accident? DSC and SNW shows that Pike knows what's going to happen to him, and there are a ton of ways he can get out of his fate and still not have the scenario shown in "A Quality of Mercy" happen. He can still give the ship to Kirk and have Kirk deal with the Romulans. He can still make sure that the accident on the training ship doesn't happen, and save his life and the lives of the cadets. So what if it 'changes history?' Who cares?

He could always go on the cadet cruise clad in a hazmat suit, lead-lined body armor and a constant transporter lock to beam him out when things get spicy

 

[Dukhat]

Berman Trek was only ridiculous because it would use it to justify letting people die and patting themselves on the back for it.

What.

 

[Tuskin38]

Berman Trek was only ridiculous because it would use it to justify letting people die and patting themselves on the back for it.

I can’t think of any examples of that.

 

[TRON JA307020]

I would like for SNW to go in a different direction rather than be slavishly beholden to a '60's TV show that it barely tries to emulate anyway (and for good reason.)



Why do we still need Pike to get into that accident? DSC and SNW shows that Pike knows what's going to happen to him, and there are a ton of ways he can get out of his fate and still not have the scenario shown in "A Quality of Mercy" happen. He can still give the ship to Kirk and have Kirk deal with the Romulans. He can still make sure that the accident on the training ship doesn't happen, and save his life and the lives of the cadets. So what if it 'changes history?' Who cares?

If he changes history it's no longer in the prime timeline. It would have a butterfly effect and change everything.

 

[Mudd]

SNW fits with TOS more than well enough. No retcons needed. Just enjoy it.

 

[Dukhat]

If he changes history it's no longer in the prime timeline. It would have a butterfly effect and change everything.

Yeah, I don't care.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Yeah, I don't care.

Of course.

 

[Dukhat]

Of course.

I'd ask what you mean, but I really don't care about that either.

 

[TRON JA307020]

SNW fits with TOS more than well enough. No retcons needed. Just enjoy it.

It has the best writing of any new star trek show. Thought Picard season 2 is impressing me.