Going to go through this and try and organize all the ideas into a single idea. See what repeats.
How would you re-imagine and reboot Enterprise?
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That will be interesting.
I would focus more on the Xindi Arc and have no Klingons, nor would I have had any of the Temporal Cold War stuff. The Xindi Arc would be standalone without any connection to the Temporal Cold War. I would also have had more focus on the Tellarites, Andorians, and Vulcans throughout the show as well.
For the Earth-Xindi War I would have had Archer convince the Tellarites and Andorians to directly engage and help out with fighting the Xindi Reptilians and Insectoids.
The Earth-Xindi War is something that would happen in place of the Romulan War (which would take place after the founding of the federation, perhaps).
For the Earth-Xindi War I would have had Archer convince the Tellarites and Andorians to directly engage and help out with fighting the Xindi Reptilians and Insectoids.
The Earth-Xindi War is something that would happen in place of the Romulan War (which would take place after the founding of the federation, perhaps).
that requires a complete revamp of the xindi arc, don't you think?
Yes it would. Just have the Sphere builder plot line be independent of the temporal cold war.
Well instead of some Temporal agents, have the Romulans instigate the Xindi to attack Earth, etc. No expanse, no death stars, just a species that was provoked to attack Earth by the Romulans. Still have the Enterprise go into there space/area, look for there home world so they can talk, maybe look for a fleet. But no super lazers, no transwarp conduits. Etc. I would say no anomaly's but maybe the Romulans are causing the anomaly's and that is what convinces the Xindi to turn on the romulans by having enterprise solve the anomaly problem, maybe same, a cloaked sphere network causing them.
so how does archer know where to look for the xindi?
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those are rather mean, though
... you may want to check why isaac asimov started to write robot stories
Meanness is a good start, but destructive capacity plays a part as well.
you didn't say how many of them are your bunch
I think the ship had about sixty crew left at that point.
I imagine Archer would find alternate clues through some other means. Perhaps the Xindi are mislead by the Romulans to attack Earth, alternatively.
Where are the Xindi? Tellerites, Andorians, Vulcans, could say, yes met them ocassionally, they come from this area, but we don't know exactly since its rare to see them, or they might be just as new as Earth getting out there and nobody knows, so the first few episodes are detective ones trying to figure out where they are.
Maybe they still attacked Earth, but maybe with a small fleet, or attacked Earth Cargo ships, or Starbase 1. Then Enterprise was recalled and then sent out to find them .
Maybe they still attacked Earth, but maybe with a small fleet, or attacked Earth Cargo ships, or Starbase 1. Then Enterprise was recalled and then sent out to find them .
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triggering an early war with the romulans?
Sorry if this is something I already said, but I was thinking about the TCW again, because I've been reading Movieblog's reviews and he brings up comparisons in Doctor Who's War in Heaven and Last Great Time War. I'm also reading "Alien Bodies" for the first time, and it makes me think the TCW could have been a really engaging backstory if they'd just come at it with a plan. Like something. I would have said the 22nd century had been roped off by the higher powers but that a couple of agents had snuck in, ie both Daniels and Future Guy were in the present but stuck there, they had no future tech but they just had their future knowledge. And the Sphere Builders had no time travel but just had the looking at future timeline tech. I love the implication in "Cold Front" that Silik was the good guy and that Daniels was either a bad guy or incompetent (although "Shockwave" makes it clear Future Guy is a villain, you could rewrite that so the Suliban made a mistake). I probably wouldn't have said the NX-01 should have blown up in "Cold Front," because it implies to the audience that the show/ship is an aberration, but you could done stuff on a smaller scale like killed off someone that was supposed to live or something. Or Daniels wipes himself out and it's left to Archer to pick up the pieces.
Also, no, Archer as Future Guy, no. Like I will buy a bunch of stuff about Archer being out of his element and unprepared but going back in time to be a mass murderer. Fuck that.
Also, no, Archer as Future Guy, no. Like I will buy a bunch of stuff about Archer being out of his element and unprepared but going back in time to be a mass murderer. Fuck that.
So much potential, especially considering how weird the War in Heaven got in Doctor Who. I highly recommend an old Doctor Who book called The Taking of Planet 5.
I’d have liked a more primitive looking main starship, and one not named Enterprise… But I’ve grown to accept the NX-01 was always a going to have the name and appearance it did due to real-like marketing concerns, and I’ve grown used to the design Doug Drexler gave us. I’ve tried rewatching Enterprise as of a few weeks ago, first time I’ve seen it since it originally aired, and I appreciate the set design more, how sparse and cramped and therefore ‘period appropriate’ it looks compared to the 24th century Trek.
I like to come back to this thread every once in a while.
Was thinking about some of the plans for future ENT episodes that never were and the idea proposed to set an entire season inside of the Mirror Universe. How could that really be done?
Well, since almost everyone agrees that excising the Temporal Cold War plot elements out of the show is a good idea, something has to fill in the gap for when Archer sacrifices himself at the end of the Xindi arc and wakes up in the Nazi camp. You could simply kill off Archer... but what if he wakes up in the Mirror Universe?
Ignore "In A Mirror, Darkly" for a moment. Archer's counterpart would have died in some similar event to what occurs in the main universe (the conquest of the Xindi, no doubt) and Archer would assume his identity, allowing all of the main cast to remain on board in warped roles while Archer's characterization remains the same--and that would be the part most disturbing to him, is that he fits so well into the Mirror Universe. We've already seen Archer at some pretty significant low points during the Xindi arc and he has what seems like severe trauma from it all.
Archer would spend a season (or maybe just half a season) in the Mirror Universe, slowly being undone by it. This would be his "A Christmas Carol" moment, realizing what kind of path his actions and Humanity as a whole could go down. Eventually an event similar to that in "In A Mirror, Darkly" occurs where the Tholians have opened up an interdimensional rift, but this one doesn't connect back to the TOS episode. Archer makes his escape through it and returns to the Prime Universe.
Now, this might look like it violates the events of "Mirror, Mirror" as being first contact with the Mirror Universe, but by making Archer the only visitor to the Mirror Universe it 1) makes his story suspect, and 2) since he arrived by virtue of a near-death experience, he might have thought it was all made up in his head anyway, or evidence of an afterlife (a personal Hell, probably). The people in the Mirror Universe would also continue to assume that Prime-Archer is Mirror-Archer.
Was thinking about some of the plans for future ENT episodes that never were and the idea proposed to set an entire season inside of the Mirror Universe. How could that really be done?
Well, since almost everyone agrees that excising the Temporal Cold War plot elements out of the show is a good idea, something has to fill in the gap for when Archer sacrifices himself at the end of the Xindi arc and wakes up in the Nazi camp. You could simply kill off Archer... but what if he wakes up in the Mirror Universe?
Ignore "In A Mirror, Darkly" for a moment. Archer's counterpart would have died in some similar event to what occurs in the main universe (the conquest of the Xindi, no doubt) and Archer would assume his identity, allowing all of the main cast to remain on board in warped roles while Archer's characterization remains the same--and that would be the part most disturbing to him, is that he fits so well into the Mirror Universe. We've already seen Archer at some pretty significant low points during the Xindi arc and he has what seems like severe trauma from it all.
Archer would spend a season (or maybe just half a season) in the Mirror Universe, slowly being undone by it. This would be his "A Christmas Carol" moment, realizing what kind of path his actions and Humanity as a whole could go down. Eventually an event similar to that in "In A Mirror, Darkly" occurs where the Tholians have opened up an interdimensional rift, but this one doesn't connect back to the TOS episode. Archer makes his escape through it and returns to the Prime Universe.
Now, this might look like it violates the events of "Mirror, Mirror" as being first contact with the Mirror Universe, but by making Archer the only visitor to the Mirror Universe it 1) makes his story suspect, and 2) since he arrived by virtue of a near-death experience, he might have thought it was all made up in his head anyway, or evidence of an afterlife (a personal Hell, probably). The people in the Mirror Universe would also continue to assume that Prime-Archer is Mirror-Archer.
I think they did a sterling job of the internal sets, and an acceptable job on the tech side, however I'm at best grudgingly accepting of the external look of the NX-class, though i'll admit that its still the best of the bunch as far as canonical UE designs go. Now some of the non-canon Star Trek Legacy designs on the other hand...
If I could change anything about the sets is maybe nix the captain's chair. I'd make the bridge have something like a table the command staff stands at, like the CIC on Battlestar Galactica. Hell, you could just move the table from the situation room to the center of the bridge.
Then in season 4 after the refit, they take out the table and put in the captain's chair giving us that classic Trek bridge look and feel. That's the cool part about prequels to me - watching things look not quite right and slowly morph into the world we're familiar with,
Then in season 4 after the refit, they take out the table and put in the captain's chair giving us that classic Trek bridge look and feel. That's the cool part about prequels to me - watching things look not quite right and slowly morph into the world we're familiar with,
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