How would you rather have seen Enterprise-D go down?

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

Well, yeah, or at best just hang suspended in space in a space suit until the Nexus flew into you.

But while that's a flaw, it's not the biggest. Picard specifically chooses a point in time to return to that not only makes no logical sense, he also needs the help of another person (re: Kirk) to help him stop Soran. But if Picard had chosen, say, the day before to go back, not only would he not have needed Kirk (and not caused Kirk to die in the process), he could have just told his command staff on the Enterprise what had happened (since the exact same time displacement had just happened to Picard in "All Good Things..." and his crew would have understood), and then just arrest Soran at the Amargosa observatory. But apparently logic doesn't make for a movie script.

If there's a legit reason, it's probably that Picard didn't want to get into a double-Picard situation by going back further in time. (That was awkward enough in "Time Squared.") But it's confusing enough already that he could place himself back into the timeline at a point before the nexus had even arrived. How he was able to accomplish that is anyone's guess, so it's not clear how he would've been able to place himself farther back to prevent other things from happening, too.

Putting the 2 captains together was nice, but it all could've been done way better.

 

[DonIago]

Actually, if there was a "rule" that he could only appear at a point in time when he'd previously been relatively close to the Nexus, that would at least explain why he didn't just go back to a point when he could arrest Soran.

 

[Dukhat]

If there's a legit reason, it's probably that Picard didn't want to get into a double-Picard situation by going back further in time. (That was awkward enough in "Time Squared.") But it's confusing enough already that he could place himself back into the timeline at a point before the nexus had even arrived. How he was able to accomplish that is anyone's guess, so it's not clear how he would've been able to place himself farther back to prevent other things from happening, too.

That's the thing: Even returning to the point he chose, Picard still would have 'run into himself' just like how Marty McFly saw himself leave because he returned to 1985 at a point in time before he left. But the movie doesn't show this. Instead it seems to show that once Picard returned, the timeline reset itself from that point. So Picard could indeed have returned to any point in time he chose and would not have run into himself. From the point of view of those around him, it would have looked like Picard suddenly just changed tactics and said "hey everyone, I just had another one of those timey-wimey experiences again like I had six months ago, and now we have to go to the Amargosa observatory and arrest someone. Just trust me, I know what I'm talking about."

 

[saladdays]

The biggest flaw is why Soren needed to come up with with hair brained plan at all.

"Why can't he just fly into it with a ship?"

See bullshit excuse why they can't fly j to it with a ship

Meanwhile, I'm the same movie, two examples of flying into it with a ship working perfectly fine (the transports, with Soren feeling ripped away, and Enterprise B, with Kirk)

It didn't work "perfectly fine." The refugees clearly weren't totally "in" the Nexus or they wouldn't have been able to be transported away. I'm not sure there would have been any guarantees that anyone would enter the Nexus instead of dying before that had a chance to happen.

Well, yeah, or at best just hang suspended in space in a space suit until the Nexus flew into you.

That seems logical, but Soren also said he's spent his life searching for other ways to get in it and he found no other way that worked, or something like that. Maybe he again didn't want to take a risk of dying out in space before entering the Nexus.

 

[Dukhat]

That seems logical, but Soren also said he's spent his life searching for other ways to get in it and he found no other way that worked, or something like that. Maybe he again didn't want to take a risk of dying out in space before entering the Nexus.

That’s true; he did say that. Which only makes me ask: how then did he come up with the idea to divert the Nexus to fly through a planet? How would he know that that’s how you get back into it? It’s not like he had any kind of prior proof that that would work. The only frame of reference he had was how he and Guinan got into it in the first place, which was...on a ship.

 

[Verteron]

Picard specifically chooses a point in time to return to that not only makes no logical sense, he also needs the help of another person (re: Kirk) to help him stop Soran. But if Picard had chosen, say, the day before to go back, not only would he not have needed Kirk (and not caused Kirk to die in the process), he could have just told his command staff on the Enterprise what had happened (since the exact same time displacement had just happened to Picard in "All Good Things..." and his crew would have understood), and then just arrest Soran at the Amargosa observatory. But apparently logic doesn't make for a movie script.

Also: saved his brother and nephew from burning to death in a fire.

Just a small bonus.

 

[Dukhat]

Also: saved his brother and nephew from burning to death in a fire.

Just a small bonus.

Well, that goes without saying.

 

[DonIago]

Maybe he could have saved Carey while he was at it...
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...oops, wrong show!

 

[saladdays]

That’s true; he did say that. Which only makes me ask: how then did he come up with the idea to divert the Nexus to fly through a planet? How would he know that that’s how you get back into it? It’s not like he had any kind of prior proof that that would work. The only frame of reference he had was how he and Guinan got into it in the first place, which was...on a ship.

That's true. I suppose he could have found in his research instances of the Nexus going near a planet and people just disappearing or something of that nature, but that is just speculation. My guess is that there were actual confirmed casualties (not just people that "disappeared") at the incident with the Enterprise-B that we didn't see in the film, which would dissuade him from wanting to use a ship. But again, just speculation.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

The Enterprise-Demise was pretty impressive.

Other memorable methods of Destruction might include:

Crushed by Giant Space Octopus
Crushed by deep ocean pressure
Dissolved by *technobabble* Radiation
Pulled apart by giant kid peering through the windows
Accidental collision with derelict, cloaked Cleave Ship
Space microbes feeding on the hull
Too many asteroids
Leftover orbital nuclear device

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

The Enterprise-Demise was pretty impressive.

Other memorable methods of Destruction might include:

Crushed by Giant Space Octopus
Crushed by deep ocean pressure
Dissolved by *technobabble* Radiation
Pulled apart by giant kid peering through the windows
Accidental collision with derelict, cloaked Cleave Ship
Space microbes feeding on the hull
Too many asteroids
Leftover orbital nuclear device

Or if they just didn't drop the shields.

 

[Verteron]

How about getting Riker'd

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Oh wait, that pretty much did happen at Veridian

 

[publiusr]

I understand the model has "Ent-E" on it--much as the refit had Ent-A..

Someone here had an avatar where it made like the Vengeance and headed for 'frisco.

That would have been a thing to see.

 

[Verteron]

I understand the model has "Ent-E" on it--much as the refit had Ent-A..

Someone here had an avatar where it made like the Vengeance and headed for 'frisco.

That would have been a thing to see.

Here's that image! This is the six foot studio model, modified by ILM just after Generations (when they assumed the E might be a Galaxy class or Galaxy class variant). I believe it's now in storage somewhere in Paramount or ILM's lot.

 

[Vger23]

If there's a legit reason, it's probably that Picard didn't want to get into a double-Picard situation by going back further in time. (That was awkward enough in "Time Squared.") But it's confusing enough already that he could place himself back into the timeline at a point before the nexus had even arrived. How he was able to accomplish that is anyone's guess, so it's not clear how he would've been able to place himself farther back to prevent other things from happening, too.

I always thought this was it as well, even on my initial viewing of the movie. I just figured he needs to go back to a point that was the least impactful to the timeline.

Of course, now that I really think about it...wouldn't he have seen himself on Veridian III as well?

The other thing that always throws me out of this movie is that, initially, the timing of the appearance of the Nexus, the launch of the missile, and the destruction of the planet are all pretty tight. When Picard goes back, it seems like he has almost 10x the amount of time to punch Soren than he had in the original timeframe.

Fuck, what a mess.

 

[CDP]

I always thought having Riker finish the word "engage" to Wesley, in BOBW part 2 would have been a hell of a way to go out!

 

[Galileo7]

Here's that image! This is the six foot studio model, modified by ILM just after Generations (when they assumed the E might be a Galaxy class or Galaxy class variant). I believe it's now in storage somewhere in Paramount or ILM's lot.

Beautiful starship miniature. Picard's Galaxy class 1701-D should have been replaced by another Galaxy class 1701-E.

 

[USS Firefly]

Beautiful starship miniature. Picard's Galaxy class 1701-D should have been replaced by another Galaxy class 1701-E.

I agree, or an upgraded Galaxy class

 

[Verteron]

I agree, or an upgraded Galaxy class

I wonder what a Galaxy class 'refit' would look like with a similar scope to make as many changes as they made to the Connie for TMP.

Whether it was a refitted D or a brand new Galaxy Class E, would have been fun to see.

Maybe something a little less dramatic than the three-nacelles and the phaser cannon upgrade seen in AGT, but stronger/faster nonetheless.

 

[Galileo7]

Better yet it did not go down, just battle damage.

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