How would you have ended the show?

[Sophie74656]

A lot of people dislike the ending of the show. I think aspects of it were good, but I didn't like the time travel aspect.

Is there anything different you would have liked to see?

My alternate ending still involved the Transwarp hub...
As they get near that nebula, Seven privately tells Janeway that there is a hub in there. They confer with the staff, some want to try to use the hub, some think it's too dangerous...eventually they decide to try to use the hub and come up with some technobabble for a shield modification that they think will let them get through the nebula undetected. When they are almost through the nebula, almost at the hub their modification stops working and they are detected and attacked. They are forced to leave the nebula but durring their escape they send a distress call to anybody that might be around and they are very badly damaged...like a necelle is gone, have to eject the core and some other bad damage. It is clear they are done forever. As they are assessing the damage they detect more borg ships coming at them from another direction and they know they are doomed. Then they are hailed and it's some of the freed Borg from unimatrix zero. They take voyager inside one of their ships and lead them back to the hub, as the other borg ships fire on the one that Voyager is in. In the end they make it back to the AQ with the freed borg and...stuff in the AQ.

sorry that was long

 

[OtherGene]

It would never have been permitted but I think they should've left them out there, or maybe just the main cast. Some sort of space-time rift which could get crewmembers back but not the vessel itself. Not a happy ending and back then TV shows liked to wrap up as happy as can be but a bitter sweet ending would've been much more memorable.

 

[apollo1984]

Getting home was fine with me, but I would have liked to have seen the crew getting re-acclimatised with Earth and to see the consequences of stuff that happened during the journey with a debrief with Starfleet, learning what happened to the Equinox crew, new assignements/promotion for the crew etc.

 

[Finn]

They get home. After the celebrations and all, Janeway settle down at her mother's house in Indiana for dinner and coffee with her mother and her sister Phoebe. It was getting late and Janeway was drinking her last cup of coffee when the door opens. Her dad walks in. Janeway closes her eyes in disappointment as she drops her cup of coffee.

She remembers one moment of uncertainty as they flew over the bridge the day before. It was nighttime and there was fireworks. But she could have sworn for a moment that the bridge was blue.

Yep, they were in the Azure Gate Bridge universe the whole time.

It ends with the caption "And you thought Newart had guts"

 

[Sophie74656]

Getting home was fine with me, but I would have liked to have seen the crew getting re-acclimatised with Earth and to see the consequences of stuff that happened during the journey with a debrief with Starfleet, learning what happened to the Equinox crew, new assignements/promotion for the crew etc.

I would have liked to see some things in the AQ as well but don't think they would work in the show.

Personally I would love to have Tom be present for the birth of his daughter, B'Elanna reconcile with her father (or not), Harry hug his parents and find that Libby has been waiting for him. Personal things like that

 

[John Clark]

Getting home was fine with me, but I would have liked to have seen the crew getting re-acclimatised with Earth and to see the consequences of stuff that happened during the journey with a debrief with Starfleet, learning what happened to the Equinox crew, new assignements/promotion for the crew etc.

I think something along these lines would have suited me too.

 

[Jedi Marso]

I didn't like the notion that an older Admiral Janeway would have simply thrown all her principles and the regs out the window and willfully violated the temporal PD, taking future tech into the past (and passing it to the Borg in the process!), and literally eradicating her own timeline (or at least creating a split).

I would have liked to see an ending that somehow echoed the beginning a little more. A Star Trek story without the Borg, where they encounter some species or civilization where they have to resolve a moral or ethical issue, and at the same time find a way to move the ship back to the Alpha Quadrant. In the end, one or two of the show's main characters don't make it home- for whatever reason, they perish in the course of making it possible for the rest to get home.

In the end, the ship makes it back, and we get a little more of a wrap in the AQ with reunions, debriefs, etc.

 

[Sophie74656]

Another idea I had with the ending, which still includes the borg is that at the nebula after voyager is damaged beyond any hope that Seven contacts the queen and asks her to send voyager through the hub but offers to stay behind with the queen in return.

 

[Sophie74656]

I didn't like the notion that an older Admiral Janeway would have simply thrown all her principles and the regs out the window and willfully violated the temporal PD, taking future tech into the past (and passing it to the Borg in the process!), and literally eradicating her own timeline (or at least creating a split).

I would have liked to see an ending that somehow echoed the beginning a little more. A Star Trek story without the Borg, where they encounter some species or civilization where they have to resolve a moral or ethical issue, and at the same time find a way to move the ship back to the Alpha Quadrant. In the end, one or two of the show's main characters don't make it home- for whatever reason, they perish in the course of making it possible for the rest to get home.

In the end, the ship makes it back, and we get a little more of a wrap in the AQ with reunions, debriefs, etc.

That could have been interesting too, Erase Cold Fire, and have the ending involve another "caretaker"

 

[Lynx]

That could have been interesting too, Erase Cold Fire, and have the ending involve another "caretaker"

Erasing Voyager's best episode? No way!

But they could have made a sequel to that episode at the end. A final confrontation with the female Caretaker where she returns to finally destroy Voyager.

But after some excitement and dramatic events, Janeway and a returning Kes would have convinced Suspiria that she was wrong about Voyager's intentions and that the Voyager crew didn't kill the Caretaker, instead they fulfilled his wish by blowing up the Array after the Caretaker had died.

Suspiria would then give Kes a human lifespan and send Voyager home. Then we would have had a real homecoming with our favorites meeting family, relatives and friends.

And why not a "happy ending" between Janeway and Chakotay?

 

[Galileo7]

Getting home was fine with me, but I would have liked to have seen the crew getting re-acclimatised with Earth and to see the consequences of stuff that happened during the journey with a debrief with Starfleet, learning what happened to the Equinox crew, new assignements/promotion for the crew etc.

Agree. Including we would see Captain Janeway's promotion to Admiral the rank she held in Nemesis.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I liked "Endgame". I guess I'd have one more episode showing the main characters actually going home, seeing their families etc.

 

[Sophie74656]

Erasing Voyager's best episode? No way!

But they could have made a sequel to that episode at the end. A final confrontation with the female Caretaker where she returns to finally destroy Voyager.

But after some excitement and dramatic events, Janeway and a returning Kes would have convinced Suspiria that she was wrong about Voyager's intentions and that the Voyager crew didn't kill the Caretaker, instead they fulfilled his wish by blowing up the Array after the Caretaker had died.

Suspiria would then give Kes a human lifespan and send Voyager home. Then we would have had a real homecoming with our favorites meeting family, relatives and friends.

And why not a "happy ending" between Janeway and Chakotay?

A third episode with a caretaker? No, I think that would be too much

 

[Lynx]

A third episode with a caretaker? No, I think that would be too much

I think it could have been a logical conclusion.

 

[Sophie74656]

I think it could have been a logical conclusion.

Yes, another caretaker could have been an interesting ending but only if they hadn't already encountered one before. I think a THIRD encounter would have been too much.

 

[Katinka]

I think the overall idea of time travel to get them home wasn't too bad. And, frankly, as I wrote in another thread here, one of the few ways they could have achieved getting home as they still were in the DQ just an episode before. Finding a wormhole after 7 years would have been an option, but kind of lame. Not that we didn't see the time travel concept before in that episode where Chakotay and Kim travel back in time to save Voyager from an icy death on some unpleasant planet.
So, that part didn't bother me, but:
It just seemed so not Janeway to do this and defy anything she always believed in and upheld. For me to believe she'd do this I would have needed more details on her heartbreak and misery and the toll the longer journey took on others. Some larger justification would have been nice along the lines of "by coming home after 7 years instead of 23 they could - for whatever reason - help prevent a war or an epidemic or whatever (that stuff the Doctor gave them in Resolutions could have come in handy or something like that).
As a die-hard J/C romantic I would obviously want to see this relationship come to positive conclusion and none of this Seven stuff. I achieve that in my mind by simply ignoring the Seven/Chakotay scenes. Here is to selective perception!
I agree with the people who said they wanted to see more about how the crew was doing after they got back. It wouldn't have been all happiness for everybody. Couldn't have been, after 7 years away reintegration would have been extremely hard. I found it very hard to reintegrate into normal life after 2 years in graduate school, which is the closest I have come to being sequestered (partially voluntarily) from the world at large in favor of a small(ish) group. After 7 years, returning must have been traumatic for many.
Another alternative: Starfleet finishing some fancy Slipstream engine way ahead of time (Reg Barclay and his geek-friends pulling allnighters) and all of a sudden just showing up to get them. Okay,I admit, that's kind of anticlimactic.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Another alternative: Starfleet finishing some fancy Slipstream engine way ahead of time (Reg Barclay and his geek-friends pulling allnighters) and all of a sudden just showing up to get them. Okay,I admit, that's kind of anticlimactic.

The problem here is that Starfleet then has a fancy slipstream drive and the galaxy is now a duck pond for all future Trek endeavors.

 

[Sophie74656]

I think the overall idea of time travel to get them home wasn't too bad. And, frankly, as I wrote in another thread here, one of the few ways they could have achieved getting home as they still were in the DQ just an episode before. Finding a wormhole after 7 years would have been an option, but kind of lame. Not that we didn't see the time travel concept before in that episode where Chakotay and Kim travel back in time to save Voyager from an icy death on some unpleasant planet.
So, that part didn't bother me, but:
It just seemed so not Janeway to do this and defy anything she always believed in and upheld. For me to believe she'd do this I would have needed more details on her heartbreak and misery and the toll the longer journey took on others. Some larger justification would have been nice along the lines of "by coming home after 7 years instead of 23 they could - for whatever reason - help prevent a war or an epidemic or whatever (that stuff the Doctor gave them in Resolutions could have come in handy or something like that).
As a die-hard J/C romantic I would obviously want to see this relationship come to positive conclusion and none of this Seven stuff. I achieve that in my mind by simply ignoring the Seven/Chakotay scenes. Here is to selective perception!
I agree with the people who said they wanted to see more about how the crew was doing after they got back. It wouldn't have been all happiness for everybody. Couldn't have been, after 7 years away reintegration would have been extremely hard. I found it very hard to reintegrate into normal life after 2 years in graduate school, which is the closest I have come to being sequestered (partially voluntarily) from the world at large in favor of a small(ish) group. After 7 years, returning must have been traumatic for many.
Another alternative: Starfleet finishing some fancy Slipstream engine way ahead of time (Reg Barclay and his geek-friends pulling allnighters) and all of a sudden just showing up to get them. Okay,I admit, that's kind of anticlimactic.

If you are a J/C

The problem here is that Starfleet then has a fancy slipstream drive and the galaxy is now a duck pond for all future Trek endeavors.

In the new novels they do have slip stream drives

 

[Lynx]

A lot of scenarios, including a final encounter with Suspiria would have been better than the sorry, insulting mess that "Endgame" was.

 

[MacLeod]

I think one of the issues with "Endgame" is that Janeway's actions come of as selfish. Because she lost her friends, so what if other people lost family members. Back in "Eye of the Needle" she agrees with the sentiment that they shouldn't prevent the launch of the mission that stranded them in the DQ due to the impact they have already had, what impact would they have had over the 16 more years it orignally took Voyager to get home, that was undone by her bringing them home early.