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How would you have done the new movie?

The engineering problems with the design alone are staggering (the center of gravity is actually *outside* the ship)
In case you've never balanced a model of the original on your finger, or hung it from the ceiling on a piece of string, the center of gravity in actual inside the ship, in fact the ship is centered on the impulse deck.

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By vulcantgirl at 2011-01-19

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By vulcantgirl at 2011-01-19

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By vulcantgirl at 2011-01-19

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By vulcantgirl at 2011-01-19

With all respect to the artists you mentioned
These were also Vektor's designs.

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Man, I beg to differ.


Notice the amount of changes made to her for her to work on the big screen?

FYI, this is my favorite incarnation of the ship, followed by the TOS version.

The scale is unchanged from the TOS proportions, which is what was under scrutiny. While it changed in a number of ways stylistically, the proportions and size are true to TOS.

For myself, it's not as much about size, as it is about shape. Let's face it - 99% of the time, you're seeing your favorite starship against a stellar or planetary backdrop, with no frame of reference for size. That's one of the reasons why I found the new Enterprise's increase in size to be a little silly - why does it matter? I suppose it made for a more imposing ship for motorcycle-riding Kirk to look at wistfully, but shuttle-pod-riding Kirk of TMP managed to have his own moments of awe in TMP when being carted over by Scotty, and that scene managed to be suitably impressive/breathtaking.

I don't like the proportions of the new Enterprise. It just looks ungainly. Some things are too big, other things are too small. Some things stick out too much. It looks like a kitbash to me - something cobbled together from disparate designs. And, rather cartoonish, like a Looney Tunes Enterprise.

I haven't heard a really good argument justifying the change in design from the original proportions. Updates to the TOS design I understand - that's what they did with TMP, and they did it very, very well.

But enough about proportions and back to the issue of scale/size.

I find the increase in size to be silly, because there was nothing wrong with the old one. The original Enterprise had a crew compliment of around 400. There's nothing wrong with this number. We can compare it to WWII ships or Greyhound buses or whatever, but none of this really matters. It was a narrative decision made in the developmental stages of Star Trek. Giving the Kelvin a crew compliment of 800 and the Enterprise presumably even more changes NOTHING in the narrative sense, because the story is still going to feature 3-7 people with any sense of focus, while nameless redshirts, blueshirts, yellowshirts, yeomen and cooks drift around in the backdrop. The story told in Star Trek 2009 would not have changed one iota with the original, smaller ships. So why bother to change it, save to be bothersome?

The explanation is my annoyance: there's a sense that everything about the new Trek needed to be 'bigger and badder' than everything that came before it. This ain't your father's Star Trek, after all. We're bigger, we're meaner, we're a galactic ARMADA! Our cadets listen to metal and thrash Corvettes, our Vulcans are deathly killing machines, and our communications officer's sex charm will break the most stoic of species. We have SIX WARP CORES! Our starships can travel from Earth to Vulcan in sixty seconds... etc. Our comic Scottish stereotypes are more zany... etc.

I'm going on a tangent, so I'll draw it back in: the TOS Enterprise, and her motion-picture progeny, the refit, are friggin' gorgeous, and there's not a damn thing wrong with 'er, and if it ain't broke, don't fix it. :p
 
In terms of the overall aesthetic feel, I would leave everything much as it is. I would maybe tone down the E's nacelles a little and straighten out those pylons a bit. Other than that I love the ship and all the tech and environments seem appropriate.

Story-wise, the main thing I would've done is tossed out the whole timeline/alternate universe aspect. Just do it as a clean reboot. Trek fans are intelligent enough to understand this is a new continuity without a giant flashing neon sign saying "THIS IS AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE!!!"

Comic books do this all the time, I don't know why it would be such a giant problem. I don't see the Transformers flicks failing at the box office because nerds are pissed that Optimus Prime isn't a red Kenworth cab-over.

Most of the film could have played out the same....instead of being attacked by the Narada the Kelvin would be destroyed by a couple of Klingon ships. We proceed from there, learning the origin stories of Kirk, Spock, McCoy, etc. until a crisis strikes and all the cadets are forced into early action.

The Klingons are plotting a full-scale invasion. Let's say they are still very mysterious, that not much is know about them except they are formidable enemies and their weapons are very powerful and the Enterprise is the first ship in a new fleet designed to counteract them.

The Klingons destroy Vulcan with some giant superweapon, doesn't really matter what. Pike is knocked out of action, Spock is still emotionally compromised, Kirk still takes over and saves the day, wins the respect of everyone, is given command of the Enterprise and at the end of the movie they leaves to explore strange new worlds and crap.

The end, roll credits.
 
If they wanted to show Kirk at various times in his life fine, but when he "saves the day" have him already be the rank (rate) of commander in Starfleet. Then when he does save the day, he is promoted just one step in rank and give the command of the Enterprise.

Which very well basically could have been how it happen in the original time line.
 
If Paramount had come to you, and asked you to do STXI instead of JJ Abrams, what would you have done? Would you have done a origin story as well, or something different? The only requirement here is that it would have to feature the original crew somehow, even if not all or even most of them. Paramount seemed to think it was important to go back to the original series in some way. And while I'm sure some of you thought the movie JJ Abrams made was just fine, I would prefer if you didn't simply reply with, "exactly what JJ Abrams did," or something else along those lines. That would make discussion rather bland and pointless.
I would not have tried to reboot Star Trek, Abrams-style -- I wouldn't have had the cojones to do it. Enterprise had only finished as recently as 2005 and I'd have thought it was way too soon.

So, if I had to make it about the original crew, I'd have made it just a straight prequel with no mucking about with timelines: the story of Kirk's first mission as captain of the Enterprise, set in 2264. Continuity wouldn't bother me so much as TOS's continuity was all over the place anyway ("This is the United Space Ship Enterprise, of the United Earth Space Probe Agency! I am Captain James R Kirk, and this is my Vulcanian first officer Mr Spock! Ahead, timewarp factor 7!" etc.) but I'd try to adhere to a sort of broad-strokes sensibility. So I'd still include McCoy and Chekov even though neither were in "Where No Man Has Gone Before" (let's say McCoy was there from the start but took a leave of absence during WNMHGB, and Chekov was working in security at the time -- he can be on an away team in the movie). Also, when it comes to stuff like sets, uniforms, props and the ship's design, I'd gladly change them to look more cinematic (not drastically, but artfully).

As for what the movie would be about, well, I don't know. But the identity and motive of the villain of the movie is a secondary concern compared to strong character stuff for all the crew (think Batman Begins -- that movie was about Batman, not Ra's Al Ghul or Scarecrow). Oh, one thing though -- Gary Mitchell gets incapacitated fairly early on in the movie so Sulu gets to take the helm. :hugegrin:

I do have an idea for the sequel, though. It'd be set the following year and the enemies would be the Klingons -- specifically, the Enterprise would get caught up in the civil war currently raging between the ridged and non-ridged factions (as the Affliction/Divergence two-parter sets up, there were still ridged Klingons!) and the movie would end with a non-ridged victory. A third movie would be set at the very end of the five-year mission (so, yeah, basically the entirety of the five-year mission happens between movies #2 and #3), and would basically be "the finale that TOS never had". Any subsequent movies would be set in the second five-year mission, post-TMP and pre-TWoK.

So, yeah, I have a hunch my movies wouldn't have been anywhere near as good as the one we got. There is stuff I would change about STXI itself (for one thing I'd make Kirk thirty years old rather than 25 -- if you do that, all the other characters' ages become consistent with TOS), but that's not what the original post asked.
 
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