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How would you have done the new movie?
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I've heard that somewhere.
I would have kept the 1701 exterior ship from TOS as is. I would have took the 1701 production design(interior sets) of "Cage" and TOS, then just made minor changes to detail update the look...the way J.J. Abrams did with the Starfleet uniforms so very close to TOS unforms.
I would have kept TOS Phasers, Communicators and Tricorders with no changes, not the JJ Abrams new ones.
I would have kept TOS Phasers, Communicators and Tricorders with no changes, not the JJ Abrams new ones.
What I would "want" to do, and what I "would" do for the movie to be profitable is in contradiction.
I would rather have seen a new Crew/ship etc 100 years PAST TNG time. I also would like to see Star Trek get the R-Rated treatment with more grit and blood. That wouldn't appeal to many Star Trek fans.
I always have this visual scene in my mind of a camera going through a klingon bridge with decapitated human heads all over the ground. Something that would really depict them as ruthless warriors.
With my various rants and raves concerning Star Trek Eleven I have to say that the uniforms are at the top of my personal rave list. I thought they look great .. except for the scene with nuKirk sitting in the Captain chair for the first time wearing a black shirt, so we would all know that he was in fact a bad boy. Just in case the previous near hour of hitting us of the head with the information hadn't registered.
Without completely changing Star Trek Eleven, just little stuff:
1 .. I would keep the Spock/Uhura relationship, but I would keep it private. No public displays of affection. No transporter room kiss. Secret rendezvous. I have trouble with a superior officer banging one of his students, but tweek it instead of removal.
2 .. I'm a tech-geek. The movie should not be about tech. But what tech is shown would make "in-universe" sense.
3 .. Lose the milky warp effect, have the ship move through the stars. No TNG star streaks either. I liked the the fast warp entry without the "flare."
4 .. Instead of traveling into the past, make it clear that old Spock and Nero travel into a alternate realm. This would explain the differences between generally known canon and what is shown on screen. This would make absolutely no difference to the general audience, but would make a difference to the hard-core trek base. Make it a brief conversation between Spock and Uhura walking down a corridor.
5 .. If we are going to have the nu-Enterprise as a mega-ship, then in the fleet that travel to Vulcan included one or two ships that are TOS era, 947 foot long, Constitution Class. Slightly change their appearance if TPTB must, but not much.
6 .. Just before Spock beams down to the Ark to retrieve the Vulcan elders, he stops and tells the transporter operator to beam up as many people from the surface as he can as fast as possible. Use all transporter rooms, even the cargo transporters. "Pack the corridors - there isn't much time." When he return after the death of Amanda show Spock pushing his way through corridors filled with Vulcans.
7 .. After Kirk is taken off the bridge, Spock orders a course change to pass close to Delta Vega, except the moon is not called Delta Vega, it's T'Something. Just so Kirk doesn't just happen to land on a moon (where did that come from?).
Uhura: "T'Something?"
Spock: "It is a nearby moon and class M.
8 .. On the moon, Kirk is chased by a herd of wild selats. Their attack is broken by a larger animal, also covered in fur - no ice lizards.
9 .. After Scotty beams into the big water tube, someone on the bridge states that there are intruders in water recycling, not engineering.
10 .. When Kirk and Spock begin to fight on the bridge, other officers on the bridge immediately move in to stop the fight. Spock is still shown to lose control.
11 .. Show the Narada in earth's orbit constantly under fire from the surface and from the moon, but her weapons and shields easily handle it. There is wreckage from a few destroyed starfleet ships nearby. The drill is shielded too, but the jelly-fish ship and the Enterprise's enhanced transporters can penetrate it.
12 .. Make the nova (not super) an artificial event, the accidental destruction of a Romulan colony (where Nero's family is/was) is wholly the fault of the Federation. Make Nero's revenge "reasonable".
I would keep untouched: uniforms, warp entry effect, opening of movie with George Kirk. Some of the suggestions would be meaningless to non-trek fans, but would also probably not register with them either. They would have meaning to certain trek fans though.
Oh, and of course, let Nimoy Spock actually do something. Sitting around in a cave waiting for a miracle, and then giving some exposition, that's even less than Scotty or Chekov had to do in Generations.
That's... actually a damned good idea. Minus the lens flare
And with Kirk instead of Pike and McCoy instead of whatshisface, of course.
Make it their first mission together - the investigation of a lost colony. The Talosian mind-fantasy-creation stuff would serve as a vehicle for the characters to get to know one another (and for us to get to know them).
I'd give Kirk another first officer - Gary Mitchell, perhaps? - who gets killed rather early on. Science Officer Spock's heroics in the film will result in Kirk's offer for the position at the end.
I'd also make the characterizations closer to their TOS counterparts (Spock less emotional, Kirk less a wild child, etc). I'd also focus primarily on The Big Three and not try to make it an ensemble cast, like TOS. Heck, Chekov was only in 36 episodes of the original 79 anyway.
I'd use the original ship designs, with subtle makeovers, like Vektor's renderings.
Most importantly, I'd give it an air of optimism, something I felt was missing from ST09. Abrams talked about his lens flares as being his way of showing the future was 'literally bright', but everyone was fighting, bickering, emotionally damaged by childhood fights or crappy uncles or whatever... bloody barfights, etc. It didn't look like a particularly happy place to be, to me.
I'd have no connections to the original timeline, just a straight-up reboot.
AND VULCAN WOULD REMAIN INTACT!
/wants to see more stories about Vulcan
I would keep untouched: uniforms, warp entry effect, opening of movie with George Kirk. Some of the suggestions would be meaningless to non-trek fans, but would also probably not register with them either. They would have meaning to certain trek fans though.
Yeah sorry, I meant if I were to do my own reboot, I would set it post TMP with improved TMP uniforms. If I were tweaking the existing concept I think the uniforms were fine.
I agree with your tiny tweaks that wouldn't have even registered with newcomers to the franchise but would have reduced fan whingeing. I would also have beamed Kirk directly to the outpost where Spock was already working with Scotty to try and beam onto the Narada to reduce the embarassing level of contrivance. If you need a monster fight, slot it in outside when Kirk and Rand are modifying some equipment to help implement the long-distance transport.
My version would have looked more like the original Star Trek in terms of visual design.
This is reason #157 that I have lots of time to chat on the Internet instead of being busy and in demand to produce Hollywood movies.
I personally like the idea of being closer to TOS, but the truth is, the TOS look and feel would not hold up as well on the big screen and be believable enough to carry a 2009 movie.
That's my feeling as well. I like what they did with the movie a great deal but if I were being permitted to indulge myself I'd have done it differently.
The Spock/Uhura relationship was terrible, mainly because Zachary Quinto and Zoe Saldana have no real screen chemistry together, not just that, but the relationship itself was too Human and was respectful to the "Alien Nature" of Spock
It would have worked in TOS (Leonard Nimoy and Nichelle Nichols had a lot of potential chemistry) but they wouldn't go with it, because such a Relationship (a Black Female and an Alien/Human hybrid) wouldn't go down well with a 1960's audience
Don't get me wrong, I think Zachary Quinto is an exceptional actor, very versatile and raved about in almost every role he has been in so far. Zoe Saldana too, has an impressive portfolio and was able to capture the basic essence of the Uhura character, whilst bringing a more 21st Century edge to the character, however as an on screen couple, they leave a lot to be desired
It would have worked in TOS (Leonard Nimoy and Nichelle Nichols had a lot of potential chemistry) but they wouldn't go with it, because such a Relationship (a Black Female and an Alien/Human hybrid) wouldn't go down well with a 1960's audience
Don't get me wrong, I think Zachary Quinto is an exceptional actor, very versatile and raved about in almost every role he has been in so far. Zoe Saldana too, has an impressive portfolio and was able to capture the basic essence of the Uhura character, whilst bringing a more 21st Century edge to the character, however as an on screen couple, they leave a lot to be desired
I would have kept the 1701 exterior ship from TOS as is. I would have took the 1701 production design(interior sets) of "Cage" and TOS, then just made minor changes to detail update the look...the way J.J. Abrams did with the Starfleet uniforms so very close to TOS unforms.
I would have kept TOS Phasers, Communicators and Tricorders with no changes, not the JJ Abrams new ones.
My prediction of these choices (and yes, I LOVE the TOS designs):
- The Movie would be greeted by an audience underwhelmed by the fact that the TOS Enterprise did not look convincing on the big screen (they drastically changed things for TMP for a reason, you know).
- The Phasers, Communicators and Tricorders would be seen as unconvincing.
- Outside of hardcore fandom, the movie would be seen almost as a bad parody, and a missed opportunity to truly revive Star Trek and deliver something new.
- Critics would see the movie as largely unimaginative visually, and too slavish to the Original Series at the expense of what could have been better.
Your disagreement on this does not change the hard truth. The TOS designs simply would not have held up on a big screen.
Without the "wow" factor, the movie would not be viable for Paramount to release.
People can keep saying this... but I don't believe it for a minute. Too many talented people here (Dennis, Vektor, Deg3g) have created quality, highly detailed versions of the original that would've looked damn spectacular on the big screen.
The hard truth? Oh boy.
Dude, you constantly sell your own opinions and speculations as if they were universal truth. Please stop that.
LOL, you don't get it. *sigh*
Well, if someone has a logical, common-sense argument I'll be glad to hear it.
Everything I say on these boards is inherently IMHO, but I believe that there is a kind of denial here about what a general audience would be prepared to see in large numbers.
When I talk about the hard truth, I'm stating things as I see them.
Why, or how, is what I am saying wrong? What tells you that my viewpoints on general audience perceptions are wrong?
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