How would you design the Ultimate (Brig / Jail Cells / Security Cells / etc.)?

[Kamen Rider Blade]

After seeing

Spoiler: ST Prodigy

ST:Prodigy S1.E3 and the accidental release of a prisoner by diverting all power,

this got me thinking, what would be the Ultimate (Brig / Jail Cells / Security Cells / etc.)?

 

[shapeshifter]

I just mentioned this in my post in the Starstruck thread. Obviously bars over force fields.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I just mentioned this in my post in the Starstruck thread. Obviously bars over force fields.

What happens if you have to imprison a ShapeShifter or Changeling and the power goes out?

 

[F. King Daniel]

How about a room with NO DOORS AT ALL and just beam the prisoner in and out?

 

[BK613]

How about a room with NO DOORS AT ALL and just beam the prisoner in and out?

Good idea. I would at least have grav plating on the wall opposite the door and change the gravity orientation when the cell is occupied. The cell door then becomes part of the prisoner's ceiling.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Now you're making me think of the Containment Module from "Agents of Shield".

 

[bluemaxstudios]

I always thought the open wall/zero privacy beige on Starfleet ships were a bit inhumane for the Federation. Good thing there are no toilets in space...

 

[Leathco]

The issue with a lot of these is possibly inhumane treatment, especially if the ships life support failed and the prisoner had no way out. I would figure a specialized escape pod that would auto deploy in the event of the ship being in danger or a cut to life support would possibly be the most reasonable option. Or perhaps specialized quarters instead of a barren section of a room with just a slide out bed, toilet, and nothing else with only an energy barrier.

 

[bluemaxstudios]

Confined to quarters would be really effective. You've got a food slot and (theoretically) bathroom. Unless you're Khan and can force the door, it more effective and humane.
But alas, not as photogenic...

 

[Dumbbell]

After seeing

Spoiler: ST Prodigy

ST:Prodigy S1.E3 and the accidental release of a prisoner by diverting all power

Really? That happened? That sounds very lame to me. As if diverting all power would release a prisoner. I suppose all the forcefield windows opened up to space too? And the warp nacelles just drifted out to space? Lifesupport shut off and gravity failed? I don't know.

"Divert all power" means to shunt main and auxiliary power to the desired system. No literally "all" power. The system can't take power from your phaser, your tricorder, your body, or any other independently powered thing.

Windows to space, lifesupport, gravity, emergency transporters, and security systems, not to mention all the handheld devices are all independently powered.

For a prisoner to escape because of a power loss, power to his cell would have to be shut down because of damage or switching it off.

 

[LazyReader]

For one, abandon the "Forcefield" as a security door. Subsequent failure of power, the field dissipates. My guess Brig is largely for insubordinate officers/crew, hence letting them stay onboard during evacuation/ship abandonment is tant amount to cruel/unusual. Like what happened in jails in Hurricane Katrina.
In the Voyager episode "Repentence" They go thru the work off fabricating 8 prison cells of Tritanium bulkheads, but use forcefields which fail.
Even the most recent episode of ST: Prodigy, Gwyn escapes from her cell in an instant power fails.

Better strategy is Manual doors like real prisons. Modern control prisons are abandoning classic "Bars" in favor of solid doors.

In trek's case Transparent aluminum windows, several centimeters thick is more than adequate.
Fits scifi theme of transparent prison cells
"Avengers"

James Bond

"Silence of the lambs"

To be as escape proof as possible said walls will contain No electric work, electronics or wiring.
- Light provided by Fiber optics
===============
Federation prisons, would be much like the one on Elba II.
Planet's hostile environment makes no need for conventional security, even if you escape where you gonna go?
Another idea is building a habitable dome over a Class D planetoid

 

[F. King Daniel]

In trek's case Transparent aluminum windows, several centimeters thick is more than adequate.
Fits scifi theme of transparent prison cells
"Avengers"

I take it you never saw Star Trek Into Darkness?

 

[Sgt_G]

I have an unwritten story idea in my head; they have to covertly transport a high-risk prisoner, so they put a box inside the cargo hold. One wall of the box is transparent and faces the open cargo hatch. The only door in/out of the box is in that wall. Any attempt to escape means the prisoner will space himself.

 

[Unicron]

KamenRiderBlade, I added a small spoiler tag in your OP since it references some stuff in a specific ep of Prodigy. No text was changed, just the tag added.

 

[valkyrie013]

Hmm. In trek right?

Okay,
all walls and ceilings made of a transporter negating material. One that doesn't need power.

Use holo tech to have conversations, see into the cell.

Separate power supply that powers the lights, bathroom, shower , life support, etc.

Only way in is a hardline transporter

Basically make it "air gapped"

 

[dupersuper]

all walls and ceilings made of a transporter negating material. One that doesn't need power.

Only way in is a hardline transporter

How does that work?

 

[valkyrie013]

That there is a dedicated transporter pad that is used, that uses a "hardline" as in a wire to transmit the pattern into the cell.

And plenty of transporter blocking materials have been said about in the series.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

How about a room with NO DOORS AT ALL and just beam the prisoner in and out?

That's practically what Rura Penthe was.

If someone can be beamed in, they can be beamed out.

The weakness is accomplices the prisoner might have on the outside.

The main weakness of the Klingon prison planet was that the magnetic shield did not extend far enough.

Even if a prison cell is completely shielded against unauthorized beaming, presumably with enough preparation, the right intelligence, the right sabotage, and/or the right equipment, and so forth, the shield could be disabled or circumvented and the prisoner extracted.

No force field could contain people moving with dimensional shifts in "The High Ground." So, even a series of encased force fields would be insufficient against that mode of transport.

 

[publiusr]

Well, in many ways we are in a prison already. Had our gravity been higher, you’d need a Saturn to launch a little Mercury capsule.

I have heard it said that knots are only possible in the third dimension. In a planiverse of Dewdney, your GI tract bisects you…same with knots. In higher dimensions, everything is mutable.

Why this is Hell nor are we out of it.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Well, in many ways we are in a prison already. Had our gravity been higher, you’d need a Saturn to launch a little Mercury capsule.

I have heard it said that knots are only possible in the third dimension. In a planiverse of Dewdney, your GI tract bisects you…same with knots. In higher dimensions, everything is mutable.

That's true, if you're talking about the definition of knot that exists in lower dimensions like ours. In four dimensions, there are no such knots. But in higher dimensions, there is a higher-dimensional generalization of what a knot is. Those don't become "unknots" until they are embedded in a space of even higher dimension. From that perspective, there is nothing really special about three spacial dimensions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knot_theory#Knotting_spheres_of_higher_dimension