Where the entire issue could have been handled in 20 seconds or so (Even only Janeway mentioning in an opening log he had been promoted would have been enough) without affecting anything else - except for mentioning him Lt. Kim from then on. In the end, they probably wasted more time to show that 'no we're NOT going to promote him!'.
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Where the entire issue could have been handled in 20 seconds or so (Even only Janeway mentioning in an opening log he had been promoted would have been enough) without affecting anything else - except for mentioning him Lt. Kim from then on. In the end, they probably wasted more time to show that 'no we're NOT going to promote him!'.
And all he needed to do was just be brutally honest ....
Seven: "Then you wish to copulate"
Harry: "No! .... that is, I want to drink something with you, take you to the holodeck, and then copulate!"
Seven: "I'll never understand the human predilection for inefficient rituals, but so be it, Ensign".
Seven: "Then you wish to copulate"
Harry: "No! .... that is, I want to drink something with you, take you to the holodeck, and then copulate!"
Seven: "I'll never understand the human predilection for inefficient rituals, but so be it, Ensign".
Less. Lots of Trek characters just appeared at the start of a new season with a higher rank. And "Night", with its two-month hiatus, would have been the perfect opportunity.
I would have made Bryan Fuller's episode "Who's Killing The Great Voyagers Of The Delta Quadrant?"
Hot damn does it sounds like a lot of fun. It's Into the Spider-Verse two decades early.
Hot damn does it sounds like a lot of fun. It's Into the Spider-Verse two decades early.
Have Chakotay and Tuvok as spies aboard that Cardassian Ship that was shown in the opening episode. The Caretaker array takes both the Cardassian Ship and Voyager to the Delta Quadrant. The show would remain mostly similar, but focus on the two crews working for the same goals, and even combining into one crew. If the Cardassian Ship is to be destroyed, have some of the crew survive and become members of the Voyager crew. Perhaps Chakotay could even be a Cardassian, but maintain the "Tribe" element to his character, but be of a Cardassian tribe or something like that.
There would be no Borg shown in the show, at least, if the Borg are to be shown they will not have a Queen and not be able to be negotiated with. Species 8472 would be the main threat throughout the show, with the Cardassians and Voyager combatting them throughout multiple seasons.
I would also wish to see more focus given to the Hirogen and other minor races that have not been focused on. The show would have less technobabble, and it would continue as one arc where previous episodes are referenced and reflected upon by the characters. No more of the "Episodic" element to it.
I know I discuss the Cardassians a lot, but I am a real sucker for the Cardassians. I love em'.
There would be no Borg shown in the show, at least, if the Borg are to be shown they will not have a Queen and not be able to be negotiated with. Species 8472 would be the main threat throughout the show, with the Cardassians and Voyager combatting them throughout multiple seasons.
I would also wish to see more focus given to the Hirogen and other minor races that have not been focused on. The show would have less technobabble, and it would continue as one arc where previous episodes are referenced and reflected upon by the characters. No more of the "Episodic" element to it.
I know I discuss the Cardassians a lot, but I am a real sucker for the Cardassians. I love em'.
Species 8472 was expensive enough to create as it was (CGI being what it was back in the nineties).
It would've been warmed-over DS9.
The premise was never workable or sustainable in the first place.
Look at the Walking Dead, it had a similar premise and fell apart after 3 seasons.
"Lost in Space" is a starter plot you use to get the show started, it's not what you use to drive the show for 7 seasons. You use it for maybe 1 or 2 seasons and then reinvent the show with a different, more sustainable premise.
VOY's problem was that it never did that reinvention.
After watching "State of Flux", and Seska's fulminating rage at Janeway's actions regarding the array, it occurs to me... Cardassian spy or not, Seska had a point. One, Janeway's decision to destroy the array was questionable at best (especially since Voyager than left, which likely allowed the Kazon to go after the Ocampa anyway). Two, Voyager's decision to "go it alone" rather than make allies was nearly suicidal. Janeway was essentially asking everyone on the ship, Starfleet and Maquis alike, to die for Starfleet principals, and many of them not only did not swear to defend said principles, but joined the Maquis because Starfleet principals left them hanging out to dry.
Basically, it's not a surprise that Seska opposed Janeway's course of action... it's darn strange that no one else did.
Basically, it's not a surprise that Seska opposed Janeway's course of action... it's darn strange that no one else did.
An easy example would be the NuBSG. Was it wall to wall brilliant front to back? No, but it did work.
My previous post specifically stated that the show would fall into place in a very different way than Voyager did. Of course, that is highly dependent on the talent and savvy of the writers/producers.
Which is hilarious because Janeway also struggles with field commissions for Maquis personnel because it would be unfair to the Starfleet officers.
NuBSG ran out of steam after 2 seasons, fell apart in its 3rd and needed Deus Ex Machina to have anything resembling an ending because Ron Moore can't write endings to save his life.
Franky, every "Lost Ship" or "Survival" show of the last 25 years could only last so long before reinventing themselves as something else.
Farscape reinvented itself after 1 season to be less about Crichton going home and more about the Peacekeeper/Scarran War
LEXX totally changed gears after Season 2
NuBSG fell apart after 2 seasons
Stargate Universe, canceled after 2 seasons.
The Walking Dead? Can be argued it fell apart after ONE season.
It just doesn't work.
Then don't make a show about it.
Voyager is ok, middlin',, entertainment without the framing device. But no excuse making makes up for ignoring what was set up.
Voyager is ok, middlin',, entertainment without the framing device. But no excuse making makes up for ignoring what was set up.
Yet they somehow managed to squeeze ten seasons and a spinoff out of that puppy.
11 seasons, and at least 4 spinoffs.
(FEAR, WORLD, TALES, and DEAD CITY. I think there is another one with Daryl comimg up, too.)
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