The level of Jungian projection going on here is astounding. If you guys think you scored a victory here so be it. The record does, indeed, speak for itself.
How will you react if the Klingon War Arc isn't wrapped up?
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The level of Jungian projection going on here is astounding. If you guys think you scored a victory here so be it. The record does, indeed, speak for itself.
It does, first correct thing you've said
I look forward to bald clone Jesus taking on bearded hairy Jesus.
Both played by Tom Hardy.
no problem
Ash Tyler looks alot like what Jesus may have looked like. He's going to be both the Klingon messiah *and* the Human messiah.
At the end of the day, this is just an argument on the internet it doesn't mean anything. For me I don't think I scored a victory, personally i don't care about scoring victories, especially against people I don't know. So what if we didn't agree on something? It happens. But I'm fairly certain that we agreed on something Discovery-related the other day. I tend to think of this BBS as a big family dinner where there is usually a drunken fight on a daily basis.
No hard feelings on my end
I've had 348 victories and 279 losses in internet arguments thus far. I'm doing pretty good.
Pfft. I’m 1,000,000 and 0. You’re not doing it right.
I just don't arguePfft. I’m 1,000,000 and 0. You’re not doing it right.
I just don't argue
This made me choke on my coffee (in a good way). I feel you and I have had enough arguments to say that this is is incorrect
You win that oneThis made me choke on my coffee (in a good way). I feel you and I have had enough arguments to say that this is is incorrect
I just don't argue
Yeah, that's an understandable impression. But if the goal in the writers' room was to clean the slate, then for heaven's sake, clean it already! Answer the obvious questions that any thoughtful viewer is going to have about how the war ended, don't just leave them hanging in the air!...
Interesting family dinners you have...
That slogan bugged me from the beginning of the series. Without some cultural and historical context in which to situate it, it doesn't mean anything.
"Remain Klingon" as compared to what? What non-Klingon influences were (perceived to be) threatening Klingon identity, and by whom, and why? (For instance, what did T'Kuvma think of the presence of an Orion-dominated enclave on the Klingon homeworld, and what might he have wanted to do about it?...) Divorced from any possibility of understanding it, the slogan becomes nothing but a anti-Federation straw man for our protagonists to knock down.
Augment virus, as well as the Federation attempting to negotiate a peace, and assimilate the Klingons in to the Federation.
Makes perfect sense to me. T'Kumva doesn't see the Federation as allies but, much like Brigadier Kerla expressed in The Undiscovered Country, annihilating cultures in the name of peace.
But "remain Klingon" in the sense of resisting outside influences doesn't necessarily result in zeroing in on the Federation, per se, as opposed to any other external element. In the finale we saw an actual Orion enclave on the homeworld, for instance... surely that's more of a cultural "infection" than anything the UFP could be doing from light-years away?
Moreover, the same episode showed us (in passing, just as a convenient plot point) that the cult of Molor still exists on the homeworld. Obviously, with his worshipful attitude toward Kahless, T'Kuvma would have been at odds with them. But would that have put them outside the circle of who he considers "true" Klingons? And how influential are these factions, anyway? What are the internal politics? This is the kind of context the show promised to explore, but then never touched again.
As for the influence of the Augment virus on Klingon culture, I would have loved to see that worked into the story. Unfortunately, the show never so much as acknowledged that it existed... so any sense in which you (or I, or anyone) imagine that it might've motivated T'Kuvma's slogan is pure speculation.
And that's the fun
Could be taken as a meta statement on the tendency in modern identity politics to treat tolerating even the most benign outside influence as an existential threat.
