It took me a couple of years thinking almost the same, but now I accepted that none of those two are related to Crispin Glover
Spoilers How will Season 2 work from a character continuity perspective?
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At this point, it would be easier to have Lorca come back for Season 2 than Tyler. I say this because it has not actually been confirmed that PU Lorca is dead, which gives them an out. On the other hand, it would be mind-shattering stupidity for the Federation to let "Ash" serve - and the real Ash Tyler is much more likely to be dead than PU Lorca (since he was being held by the Klingons, there was absolutely no reason for them to keep him around once he had a double out there, and they possibly harvested some of his organs).
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Yep. PU Lorca would be awkward, but not totally crazy. They would need to introduce him soon though, in this mirror arch. He could have been stranded in the MU, and would somehow help the DIS crew to resolve the situation.
In terms of a character arc, it would be kind of lame to replace Lorca with another Lorca who didn't know anything that happened this season.
On the other hand, apparently TNG seriously considered in the Tom Riker episode having Will Riker die. It would have let them have "greener" Riker try and climb up the ranks, and rekindle his aborted relationship with Troi.
It would be awkward, but not so bad as it would have been with Riker, considering that there has been only ten episodes with Lorca thus far, opposed to several full seasons with Riker.
Jason Isaacs can very feasibly continue playing Mirror Lorca in Season 2 and beyond, for the simple reason that no-one in the Prime Universe is going to find out the truth about what happened to the Discovery and her crew, and Mirror Lorca, for all of his morally questionable behavior, has not yet done anything to directly compromise the ship and/or her crew, nor do I expect him to based on what we've seen in the previews for Episode 13.
I do not think Discovery is going to go back to the MU next season. Obviously if MU Lorca doesn't die, he could pop in as a guest character next season (though I can't imagine him making the trip if he becomes the emperor - he'd surely send along a crony, right?) It would allow them to save some money by reusing the palace ship sets as well, and this series seems to be cheap by design.
I'm not sure if Discovery is going back to its own universe, but I am certain it's not going to stay in the Mirror Universe.
^ And they don't have to. Jason Isaacs continuing to play Mirror Lorca is not dependent in any way on where the ship is.
If you think that they're going to keep a mirror universe impostor as a captain you're out of your mind.
If he doesn't do anything to compromise the ship or her crew or violate their trust, his being from the Mirror Universe becomes irrelevant and has no bearing on their mission.
I'm not "out of my mind" in recognizing that; I'm just not dismissing him and his future presence on the ship simply because he's not from the Prime Universe.
It is not irrelevant! He is not a starfleet officer. Burnham can't just let some bloke that happens to look like one starfleet officer to take over a Federation vessel. That would be completely crazy.
^ She wouldn't be "letting" him do anything; he would simply be continuing to operate in the role Prime Universe Starfleet had already assigned him, with the truth about his extra-universal origin simply not being made known to anyone outside the Discovery's crew.
So you're suggesting that the Discovery crew would withhold the Starfleet Command the information that Lorca is an impostor? Utterly absurd. Prime Universe Starfleet assigned Gabriel Lorca, an Academy graduated officer with a long career in Starfleet to command USS Discovery. They did not assign some other person who has the same name and happens to look the same. And yes, by lying to SF Burnham would let this charade to continue. But she obviously can't do that.
^ It's not absurd; it's dictated by the events of Mirror, Mirror. The details of what happened to the Discovery don't go beyond the Discovery, and said details would include the fact that her registered Captain isn't from the "Prime Universe".
It is absurd. You're wrong again, just like you were with Tyler.
Yeah, the surviving real crew (Burham, Saru, Tilly, and Stamets) have a responsibility to tell Starfleet when they get back to the PU. Maybe Burnham would hesitate, but Saru would not.
I also have a hard time understanding why Lorca would go back to the PU under his own volition. Even if he loses, I think he'd rather fight on as a rebel again in his own universe than cross over and be at the mercy of people who he betrayed.
I also have a hard time understanding why Lorca would go back to the PU under his own volition. Even if he loses, I think he'd rather fight on as a rebel again in his own universe than cross over and be at the mercy of people who he betrayed.
I'll try not to sound like a stuck record since I don't want to cause trouble, being new etc, but I've had some interesting discussions with regulars on here on threads concerning Jason Isaacs the actor and how Hollywood logic must really come into this. He's a rapidly rising star, not quite a Spacey-in-his-prime (as someone said) but he's at a point in his career where I just don't see him ever intending to do more than one season. He might be a returning guest star in future but I think he'll be written out at end of S1/start of S2.
FWIW I think the discussion becomes what CBSAA intend to do regarding the show's format/direction in future. Go back to an anthology format? Have regular cast changes? Have a more traditional recurring multi-season cast? The 2nd and 3rd options really require a much larger ensemble than they've developed so far. Don't get me wrong. I really like the show and would love it if there were a way to keep Lorca. However, I just don't see that happening. There needs to be some much more disciplined thinking/planning for S2 and I really hope the network don't interfere like they did before and cause problems.
FWIW I think the discussion becomes what CBSAA intend to do regarding the show's format/direction in future. Go back to an anthology format? Have regular cast changes? Have a more traditional recurring multi-season cast? The 2nd and 3rd options really require a much larger ensemble than they've developed so far. Don't get me wrong. I really like the show and would love it if there were a way to keep Lorca. However, I just don't see that happening. There needs to be some much more disciplined thinking/planning for S2 and I really hope the network don't interfere like they did before and cause problems.
Still hope and odds are heavy that Burnham gets mistaken for someone’s brunch and gets eaten
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