How was USS Grissom destroyed so easily?

[Timo]

I'm sure Kirk would have been ordered to make a full report on the events that led to the creation of an all-new planet - not just to his immediate superiors, but to the bunch of politicians that would soon become involved. This document would not be all that confidential: Valkris might have trouble intercepting the transmission from the homeward-crawling Enterprise, but less trouble bribing one of the civilians involved.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Leviathan]

...alll these posts. 9 Pages. Nobody has worked it out??

It's quite simple really.

There's a small thermal exhaust port, right below the main port. The shaft leads directly to the reactor system. A precise hit will start a chain reaction which would destroy the ship. Only a precise hit will set off a chain reaction. The shaft is ray-shielded, so they had to use proton, I mean photon, torpedoes.

 

[Tomalak]

True. Kruge's lucky gunner used to bullseye womp rats in his T-16.

 

[cardinal biggles]

Kruge really overreacted by vaporizing the gunner. I mean, that shot was one in a million.

 

[DonIago]

IIRC the novelization indicates that Kruge would have expected an honorable warrior to kill themselves for that kind of failure, and he only vaporized the guy in disgust.

 

[Leviathan]

By striking him down that gunner has become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

 

[Dukhat]

IIRC the novelization indicates that Kruge would have expected an honorable warrior to kill themselves for that kind of failure, and he only vaporized the guy in disgust.

Which is totally not how the scene plays out on the screen. IIRC, STIII was developed before anyone (other than John M. Ford) came up with the idea that the Klingons were supposed to be honorable. At this point, they were nothing more than space thugs.

 

[DonIago]

Well, I'd have to recommend checking out the novelization then, because there's a lot of Klingon world-building going on there that's not apparent from the film.

That said, it could be that the novel was conceived when the antagonists were expected to be Romulans, and so the race was essentially found-and-replaced.

 

[Queen Mab]

And I think the script has higher priority than the onscreen material (script is intentions of writer). Unarmed? Kirk asked if Grissom would join them or fire on them which implies it was armed of some sort of weapon(s).

No.

It never made it on-screen.

Intentions of the writer? Which writer? When?

Scripts go through drafts. Looked over by many people. The intentions of the writer/s (even the lead writer) change over time.

By your reckoning, the Enterprise Crew intervened in the US President's Assassination in 1963 because someone had the intention of it.

No.

 

[Maurice]

Klingons were definitely not intended to be honorable in TOS. In fact, in the first draft of "The Enterprise Incident" Spock comments re the Romulans using Klingon ships, "They [Klingons] are known to have little honor."

 

[Timo]

On the other hand, it's difficult to actually find a Klingon act of dishonor in TOS. Koloth's dastardly plot stands in contrast with Kang and Kor keeping to their word and their treaties, and even Koloth is charming and gracious in defeat.

It's another of those things TOS "intended" but happily never quite got done.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[RAMA]

Klingons were definitely not intended to be honorable in TOS. In fact, in the first draft of "The Enterprise Incident" Spock comments re the Romulans using Klingon ships, "They [Klingons] are known to have little honor."

In fact, the Klingons were highly deceitful in almost every episode of TOS, save Errand of Mercy.

 

[FormerLurker]

But they weren't in almost every episode of TOS.

What?

 

[DonIago]

Presumably RAMA meant that they were highly deceitful in almost every episode of TOS in which they appeared.

 

[Avro Arrow]

On the other hand, it's difficult to actually find a Klingon act of dishonor in TOS.

Because murdering 200 unarmed civilians in cold blood... totally honourable?

(Yeah, I know, "no one has been killed". But as far as the Klingons knew at the time, they were killing 200 people.)

 

[Timo]

Which was definitely the honorable thing to do: they had promised to do so, and they kept their promise!

Timo Saloniemi

 

[FormerLurker]

Presumably RAMA meant that they were highly deceitful in almost every episode of TOS in which they appeared.

Of course it is. But that's not what he said.

 

[DonIago]

Don't be that guy; nobody likes that guy.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Which was definitely the honorable thing to do: they had promised to do so, and they kept their promise!

I'm not sure that saying you're going to do something despicable, and then following through, is really the definition of "honourable".

 

[DonIago]

I...think?...Timo was being tongue-in-cheek?