you mean its like NATO?
How to change from Homosapiens only club?
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it had a similar inspiration, in this case a common defensive framework against the Romulan Star Empire. At least in the first hundred years it had ships that ran on the operating authority of their home world's agencies like UESPA. The Vulcans also ran their own ships, and presumable then so did other member worlds. It looks a bit more homogenized by the 24th century.
You mean with all those human admirals? And the flagship full of human crew and families roaming the corriders.
"More homogenized" =/= "completely homogenized". The Enterprise in TOS had one resident alien (and three in TAS). The Enterprise in TNG had way more than one alien, as we see Vulcans, Bolians, Bajorans, a part-Romulan, Napean, Betazoid, and a Klingon amongst the crew, as well as several unidentified races. It's few and far between, compared to DS9, Voyager, and Discovery, but way higher than TOS ever was.
TNG also gave us Admiral Savar, but yeah, all other Admirals in TNG (and almost the entire TNG era, except for Sitak) were human, unlike the TOS movie era and the Discovery eras, which feature a plethora of alien flag officers. So, your point stands there.
Everybody wants to see alien aliens, right?
Ok, what's a good example of truly alien behavior? As opposed to the "morally wrong to humans behavior of the week that will immediately change after a Picard speech?"
Total disregard for the safety and well-being of one's young? Or consuming their offspring in times of stress/want? A powerful alien paperclip maximizer? How about a species that believes that sacrificing you to their gods is the highest honor they can bestow? Or eats their wounded? Or simply believes that killing any other beings that could conceivably pose a threat to them is not just not wrong, but an actual moral imperative?
That'd make for some protagonist characters average viewers could empathize with and accept, huh? Especially when we have a hard enough time agreeing that my obligation to murder those who annoy me is not evil, simply alien.*
*Well, it would be if I were an extraterrestrial following a cultural norm instead of a misanthropic sociopath.
Ok, what's a good example of truly alien behavior? As opposed to the "morally wrong to humans behavior of the week that will immediately change after a Picard speech?"
Total disregard for the safety and well-being of one's young? Or consuming their offspring in times of stress/want? A powerful alien paperclip maximizer? How about a species that believes that sacrificing you to their gods is the highest honor they can bestow? Or eats their wounded? Or simply believes that killing any other beings that could conceivably pose a threat to them is not just not wrong, but an actual moral imperative?
That'd make for some protagonist characters average viewers could empathize with and accept, huh? Especially when we have a hard enough time agreeing that my obligation to murder those who annoy me is not evil, simply alien.*
*Well, it would be if I were an extraterrestrial following a cultural norm instead of a misanthropic sociopath.
When are we ever told it's equal?
The Vulcan kaz-wann, send your children into the desert and then see how many come back.
By the entire message of the entire show, several times over and over again.
It's a peace-orientated, democratic, federation of united planets not a conquering empire. If new member worlds weren't treated as equals why would anyone join? It's not like new worlds must put forward millions of inhabitants to serve as cannon fodder, nor do they have to pay their way in, they're not ignored and forced to struggle on their own when faced with natural disasters or enemy attacks.
I'm wondering whether we have different opinions on at what point a background alien counts as "random".
Like what do you think on the unnamed aliens in Quark's (such as the Dabo girl with the Parasaurolophus horn), the unnamed aliens on the promenade or the unnamed aliens in the Mos Eisley Cantina?
For me they are "atmosphere" and important parts of the scenes. Are those aliens random for you because we don't learn anything or do you just mean stuff like "there's a purple person on the helm of the Enterprise for no apparent reason" when you say 'random"?
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Someone's got to fill out those N.D. roles, or else we'd never get to explore our favorite characters more than one or two times. I'd rather have my background character be a Violacean than another bog standard human. It promotes the diversity of the future, gives a nugget of new information for the eagle-eyed fans, and provides storytelling opportunities for future writers and creators to develop these Violaceans and link them to this figure perhaps.
That's why I like Lower Decks, they have so many alien extras running around.
That sums it up for me, yes.
Just rub it in what don't you
Protection, access to trade.
Ah, but they do undergo training and conditioning, like Spartan boys did, to give them a fighting chance to survive. That shows some regard.
No.
Trek was never about seeing how many makeup jobs the production could manage a week. Aliens are nothing but human characters given little tics. Trek has a racist mindset about its supposed aliens, which it generally doesn't toward human characters.
They'd then have to be willing to provide protection to other member worlds and allow open access to their world for trading opportunities and investment. Everything they hope to get out of it they'd have to be able and willing to put into it.
I've always thought that most ships are dominated by a particular species. You might have a human crew with a Vulcan captain but for ease of access and accessibility, I feel like ships would be dominated by a particular crew. People will bring up segregation and all that jazz, but it really isn't. Vulcan has much stronger gravity than a lot of planets, so why wouldn't they have a ship that is more in line with their home planet conditions? Andor is cold planet, why would they want to operate? That explains why there aren't many Andorians seen and perhaps they have their own Academy, since we know they have a military Academy. I imagine there are several non-humanoid species that we never see who would be unsuitable to Starfleet Academy or serving with humanoids. The list goes on.
That may not mean providing personnel.
