How Star Wars Ruined Star Trek

[Amaris]

Whaa....??? Supernovas don't travel at the speed of light.

For this one, I just assume some techno subspace reason like was given in STVI. I wouldn't have minded if one was given.

The particles that make up the light from a supernova move at the speed of light, including those delightful Gamma rays. The ejecta can move anywhere from 9,000 to 25,000 miles per second. It can have some good distance, too, before it begins to really slow down.

It doesn't slow down, it just spreads out more and more with distance until it's effectively not there.

In that instance I was referring to the shockwave. According to the article in the second link:

The shock continuously slows down over time as it sweeps up the ambient medium, but it can expand over hundreds of thousands of years and over tens of parsecs before its speed falls below the local sound speed.

Whether that's entirely accurate or not, I'm not certain. I was more interested in the speed of the ejecta and such.

 

[Belz...]

Fantasy technology can work in a real universe.

No it can't. Otherwise it wouldn't be fantasy technology.

 

[BillJ]

"Nonsense?"

Great... How about explaining why? What's nonsense?

The topic's title or the content of the linked topic itself?

Everything in the article has been debunked over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...

Star Wars revived the franchise in the late '70s. Paramount invested money into films, then television shows.

No. Star Wars is the reason we got The Motion Picture instead of the planned Star Trek II series.

 

[JarodRussell]

Star Wars had some good influence on Star Trek, namely the visual effects for II, III, IV, VI, VII and VIII.

And it had pretty bad influence on Star Trek, for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLHO_E_U8o4

I like it, but Abrams couldn't wait to do this for his Star Wars film, could he?

 

[Ryan8bit]

The particles that make up the light from a supernova move at the speed of light, including those delightful Gamma rays.

Yeah, but when someone asks how fast a supernova moves, that's not what they mean. It's like if someone were to ask how far a nuclear explosion moves and you said light speed, because it also emits light and gamma rays. In the context of the movie, they aren't concerned with that either, just the shockwave.

 

[The Doctor]

Star Wars had some good influence on Star Trek, namely the visual effects for II, III, IV, VI, VII and VIII.

And it had pretty bad influence on Star Trek, for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLHO_E_U8o4

I like it, but Abrams couldn't wait to do this for his Star Wars film, could he?

And what, pray tell, is wrong with this scene? I see starships stretching out briefly before disappearing, as if to suggest immense speed. It's a better-executed TNG effect. The viewscreen piece is almost exactly the same concept as one used in early TNG.

So what?

 

[BillJ]

And what, pray tell, is wrong with this scene? I see starships stretching out briefly before disappearing, as if to suggest immense speed. It's a better-executed TNG effect. The viewscreen piece is almost exactly the same concept as one used in early TNG.

So what?

Just more of people momentarily forgetting the prior seven-hundred hours of Trek when commenting on the Abrams films.

 

[Jedi_Master]

I think it is possible to live in a universe where you can like both Star Wars and Star Trek, and not be too upset when they borrow a little from each other.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I think it is possible to live in a universe where you can like both Star Wars and Star Trek, and not be too upset when they borrow a little from each other.

Burn the heretic!

 

[Jedi_Master]

I think it is possible to live in a universe where you can like both Star Wars and Star Trek, and not be too upset when they borrow a little from each other.

Burn the heretic!

These asbestos lined robes really paid off...

 

[M'Sharak]

Star Wars had some good influence on Star Trek, namely the visual effects for II, III, IV, VI, VII and VIII.

And it had pretty bad influence on Star Trek, for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLHO_E_U8o4

I like it, but Abrams couldn't wait to do this for his Star Wars film, could he?

And what, pray tell, is wrong with this scene? I see starships stretching out briefly before disappearing, as if to suggest immense speed. It's a better-executed TNG effect. The viewscreen piece is almost exactly the same concept as one used in early TNG.

So what?

I recall a certain amount of grumbling about "Punch it!" Argument went that the line was either a ripoff or evidence of a plot to Star Wars-ify Star Trek.

 

[CorporalClegg]

That could just as easily prove it was a rip-off of a 70s cop show.

 

[Amaris]

The particles that make up the light from a supernova move at the speed of light, including those delightful Gamma rays.

Yeah, but when someone asks how fast a supernova moves, that's not what they mean. It's like if someone were to ask how far a nuclear explosion moves and you said light speed, because it also emits light and gamma rays. In the context of the movie, they aren't concerned with that either, just the shockwave.

I can't vouch for what people mean, only what they ask. Elements of a supernova move at the speed of light, including gamma rays, which is what I think about when a supernova explodes, because those travel very far, and they're incredibly deadly. Again, even the ejecta moves at a fast pace of 9,000 to 25,000 miles per second. That'll ruin your day if you're only a few light years away from the source.

As for the shock, it doesn't move as fast, but it still travels very far before it loses its punch.

 

[The Doctor]

Star Wars had some good influence on Star Trek, namely the visual effects for II, III, IV, VI, VII and VIII.

And it had pretty bad influence on Star Trek, for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLHO_E_U8o4

I like it, but Abrams couldn't wait to do this for his Star Wars film, could he?

And what, pray tell, is wrong with this scene? I see starships stretching out briefly before disappearing, as if to suggest immense speed. It's a better-executed TNG effect. The viewscreen piece is almost exactly the same concept as one used in early TNG.

So what?

I recall a certain amount of grumbling about "Punch it!" Argument went that the line was either a ripoff or evidence of a plot to Star Wars-ify Star Trek.

It's definitely an homage to Star Wars while still staying well within the bounds of Trek captains having a slogan-like order for going to warp.

In short, it's just a cooler way of saying 'Engage!'

 

[Jedi_Master]

Captain Pike was likely a big fan of Han Solo.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I've said this before, but I've always though Voyager dropped the ball. Tom should have had a lightsaber or two hanging in his quarters.

 

[Belz...]

I think it is possible to live in a universe where you can like both Star Wars and Star Trek, and not be too upset when they borrow a little from each other.

Of course it is. And Babylon 5, and the other folks, too.

 

[Amaris]

I think it is possible to live in a universe where you can like both Star Wars and Star Trek, and not be too upset when they borrow a little from each other.

Of course it is. And Babylon 5, and the other folks, too.

Absolutely! I've been a Trekkie longer than I have been a Star Wars fan, but I get excited every time I hear news about the new SW movie. Amazingly enough, my brain has the capacity to enjoy more than one sci-fi/fantasy franchise.

 

[Dude111]

Non-sense.

Yes its truly nonsense indeed!!!!

Star wars WAS RUINED by George Lucas!!!!!

 

[Rory1080p]

I agreed with pretty much all of it, the 2009 film is good, Into Darkness was a complete & utter travesty of a film, the plot sucks and the OTT elements did nothing to hide that at all for me.

I could forgive the 2009 film for some of the plot holes on the basis of it having an otherwise good plot and the fact it didn't get completely nonsensical like Into Darkness did (Wrath of Kahn ripping off but reversing Spock/Kirks roles then the awful, stupid, moronic Kahn blood bullshit)