How should Neelix have left ship?

[Kilana2]

Neelix and the rest of Voyager's crew survived the vengeance of Kes' older self.

With Dexa there are many little Neelixes possible. They have to secure the existence of the Talaxian people after all.

Naomix, Parix, Tuvix, Doctix, Troubadix, Oxylyn, Sevix, Sexka, Lexitay..... hux-ley

Ehhhhhhhm, sorry, I meant Tuvox not Tuvix.
Idefix. Janewix. Harrix.

 

[Akiraprise]

This. For sure.
With all of his leola root stock following.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I'm glad Neelix got a happy ending but it was a little too coincidental to randomly run into other Talaxians 40000 ly away from Talax. He didn't really need to leave the ship, but if he did he could have maybe met some aliens who have been put through the same things as Talaxians and helped them fight back.

Though that would have been difficult after the writers completely ignored Neelix's history after Jetrel.

 

[BigJake]

I'm glad Neelix got a happy ending but it was a little too coincidental to randomly run into other Talaxians 40000 ly away from Talax.

I guess going on the principle that Voyager could run into Amelia Earhardt in the Delta Quadrant, having other species wafted over improbable distances got to seem like a reasonable thing to do. No reasons humans should have all the fun.

 

[Long Syntax]

Neelix leaving to have children, family, purpose related to his own people.. this was the best possible ending for him. He was HAPPY. Why would anyone not want that for the character?

Teacake's analysis is right on the money IMHO.

We can just mate with any freaky funtime alien and take up any other species culture for the thrill of it because nothing is at stake.

Where do I sign up for freaky funtime ?

 

[jibrilmudo]

First off, I want to say no offense to Ethan Phillips. He was just doing his job.

I look at that, and all I see is a waste of perfectly good air. Kind of like all that air Neelix was breathing his entire life; something the Vidiians quite rightly tried to remedy thanklessly. Let's not discount transporting directly him into space.

Everyone thinks Neelix left because of Dexa. This could not be more wrong, although she provides a useful cover.

Here are the facts:

Kes was less than one year old when Neelix took up with her. In second year of voyager, they mention halfway through she hasn't even reached 2 yet. That means she was no older than 6 months when Neelix met her.

Everyone assumes Kes dumped Neelix, sometime after warlord. Unseen. I say no, this was producers deliberating obfuscating Neelix's ongoing crimes. I will submit that Neelix was surprised at Kes' fast maturation cycle and let her go. She got too old for him.

Supporting this, in the episode Kes left, Neelix wasn't even there to say goodbye; with her emerging powers he wisely made himself scarce and just hoped to be spared her righteous wrath. Luckily she wasn't homocidal in her revenge mode yet, but she felt so disgusted, she flung the ship 10,000 light years away, just to get him away from her. The gift was to herself.

Neelix then got his tentacles onto Naomi Wildman. Anybody familiar with the show knows Naomi follows Kes' arc - grows and matures very quickly. And she has 3-4 years with Neelix, before they part ways.

In the episode Neelix left, one major plot point was that Naomi was getting too old and independent of Neelix. Loosely tied to this, and most damning of all, Kes felt the need to attack Voyager years after she left -- with an implication of untold trauma where she just felt she had to lash out, which we can assume she experienced on Voyager.

Conclusion:
Naomi Wildman, seeing Kes' angst, became close to outing Neelix and Voyager had to do this in an unsaid fashion. Neelix, like in the past, knew when it was time to skidaddle. He runs into Dexa and more importantly, her young impressionable son -- and finds his next victim to boot. Better yet, once Voyager is some months away, he's safe no matter how long the secret holds out. They're not gonna backtrack 3 months. Janeway would rather fight 5 borg cubes than take a 90 minute detour out of her way.

Secondary thoughts:
Neelix had a multitude of victims over the years and Kes and Naomi weren't the only ones that learned misery by crossing his path. One of the most obvious is Crewman Hogan, who fell victim to Neelix's legendary "Survival Skills", when he ordered the Hogan to pick up some useless bones at the mouth of a cave obviously housing a monster. We can only speculate what Hogan knew or how he crossed Neelix.

Another victim is Tuvok. Voyager was sadistic with that ongoing ballad throughout the series. While the anguish with dealing with Neelix would driven most people insane, Tuvok contracted his degenerative mental disease when combined with Neelix in the form of Tuvix. There were undoubtedly memories Tuvok had to suppress despite his cold logic and it afflicted him, much like the episode Flashback with the fake traumatic memory. We can only imagine how the real Neelix ones affected him.

This also explains why Tuvok made a special effort to reach out to Kes time and again in the only way he knew how, with the mental training. But cold Vulcan logic couldn't overcome their kind of hurt.

The last bit of supporting evidence is that every leading unmarried male had romantic dreams or hopes with Seven, however fleeting. Harry. The Doctor. Voyager's wooden plank and 1st Officer.... Chakotay. Even Tom Paris flirted with her for a scene. Except one. Guess who and why? Janeway had to pick up his slack.

Aftermath:
Unfortunately, Voyager only had 2 more episodes after we see Neelix leave with his latest victim, Brax.

Thanks to the Voyager crew's deception, I believe the Talaxian colonists would have had a misunderstanding of Neelix's [in]compentencies and handed him some type of leadership position -- whereupon the colony would have imploded within 3 months, consumed in a nuclear inferno.

Then the borg, ever hot on Voyager's trail, would have found Neelix crawling around within the lava, and assimilated him for the ship knowledge.

Over time, like with Tuvok, he would corrupted their mental processes more and more --- so thoroughly that the Queen herself goes haywire, and Neelix can assume his rightful mantle.

Darth Talax. [Seen here with other beneficiaries of his mad "Survival Skillz".]

I would have watched the 23 seasons of Voyager, what it took to get home, if one or two episodes per season featured Darth Talax of the Bjorn Again Bjorg trying to get his revenge against Voyager and getting his behind whooped every time.

That would have been worth over twenty years of Threshold episodes.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Timetravel.

Neelix should have gone back to when Kes still loved him and did it right this time.

 

[hux]

The paedo theory is contradicted by his pursuit of and brief dalliance with Ch'Rega. Neelix is as hot blooded as the rest of us but in an entirely healthy way. He was simply a guardian to Kes.

You're right about him replacing Kes with Naomi but he wasn't replacing a lover, he was replacing a child he cared for.

It was all a bit fucked up.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Kes was an adult.

Waiting till she was 20, is necrophilia.

Naomi's synonymy with Neelix, only makes me think that he was shtupping Sam.

 

[jibrilmudo]

Since that Ch'rega thing happened in middle of season 7, my belief is:

• Neelix felt he was close to being outed and opted for a "beard", for plausible deniability
• Neelix isn't exclusively a kid diddler. Just look at him. He needs to take opportunities where they present themselves. The Talaxians are a dying race purely because even they can't stand each other.
• Neelix forced himself bunking with Tuvok and this was another way to drive Mister Vulcan nuts. When Tuvok came into the messed up room, you could see the blood pressure skyrocket to 500/250. You just know Neelix and the klingon did it in Tuvok's bed and imagine that smell. Mister Vulcan probably gave up trying to detoxify it and spent 6 months of replicator rations for a new mattress. Let's hope Tuvok never blacklights his room, I suspect at that point, he'll make Crewman Suder look like average kindergarden teacher.

As to Samantha, she's a Xenobiologist and obvious lover of forehead of the week aliens. Voyager must have been paradise for her. Maybe she and Neelix had a one off. But I suspect not. They had zero chemistry. Like Chakotay and Seven.

She knew what Neelix was up to, but didn't care. You never seen one mother and daughter moment on that show, she's never around. She was glad the brat was taken off her hands, so she could "study" more aliens of the week. If you wondered how Voyager survived so long, got it's supplies, and maintenance at docking ports, and had any friends in the Delta Quadrant whatsoever despite Neelix's best efforts as "Ambassador" -- the unsung hero is Samantha Wildman.

Since it was a PG show, she spent more and more time off screen, especially season 7. The more people on the show screwed up, the harder she had to work. Wonder why Species 8472 became all buddy buddy at the end? Think it was Chakotay's wooden plank routine? Again, Samantha Wildman. Just reliving her Academy days and leaving everyone at the fake one with a smile.

 

[hux]

I almost want to agree with you based on the effort you've put into it but no, Neelix isn't as sinister as he appears. That being said, the writers really screwed him (and Kes) up by making him too avuncular and twee. His passionate pursuit of Ch'Rega was no doubt an attempt to rectify that and make him look like an actual functioning person rather than a benevolent yet creepy pet.

His sudden (and unexpected) interest in a highly sexual and even aggressive relationship was incongruent so I can only assume the writers wanted to distance his character from accusations of being a bizarre child botherer.

It didn't entirely work.

Despite that, I still don't think he was a cunning Dick dastardly manipulator. I just think (like so many other things in Voyager) he (like Kes) was badly written. The relationship was badly written. The mechanics of Ocompan maturity and sexuality were badly written. The incident with Ch'Rega was badly written (and a poor, unconvincing attempt to normalise Neelix). Plus it was all too little, too late by then.

I get why people are a bit iffy about Neelix and his motivations but personally, I don't think it was as dark as others might interpret it.

Just more bad writing kids.

 

[Catarina]

creative, twisted, offensive but I have to say, I'm disagreeing. Bad writing.

 

[jibrilmudo]

I will say Barkley's cat, Neelix, was completely lovable. Much more so than Spot. This was the Neelix that should have been on Voyager.

Janeway really needed a cat warming her captain's chair - a reminder the ship had 9 lives. And there should have been about 30 more in her ready room when you walk in.

Then every time a voyager equivalent redshirt died, they'd have a fancy feast.

 

[Kilana2]

I will say Barkley's cat, Neelix, was completely lovable. Much more so than Spot. This was the Neelix that should have been on Voyager.

Janeway really needed a cat warming her captain's chair - a reminder the ship had 9 lives. And there should have been about 30 more in her ready room when you walk in.

Then every time a voyager equivalent redshirt died, they'd have a fancy feast.

Alas, as you are well aware, Kathryn is more of a dog person. Maybe she's even allergic to cats like Worf. It didn't stop Worf from taking Spot after Data's death, though.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I will say Barkley's cat, Neelix, was completely lovable. Much more so than Spot. This was the Neelix that should have been on Voyager.

Janeway really needed a cat warming her captain's chair - a reminder the ship had 9 lives. And there should have been about 30 more in her ready room when you walk in.

Then every time a voyager equivalent redshirt died, they'd have a fancy feast.

Alas, as you are well aware, Kathryn is more of a dog person. Maybe she's even allergic to cats like Worf. It didn't stop Worf from taking Spot after Data's death, though.

Spot changed gender at least once, which means that Data was probably replacing his dead cats and committedly calling each new cat in his life still "Spot".

Which makes Worf look even more guilty.

During a conversation with Q, when he trying to make babies with the girl, Neelix lets slip that he's in love with Kathryn by saying how "too Good" she is for the likes of Q.

Being in love with Janeway explains all his behaviour, and since Janeway is almost mummified, she is the polar opposite of fresh and crisp wee child, which might get Neelix out of the pedo box?

Did any one ask Neelix if he was 400 years old?

 

[Leviathan]

First off, I want to say no offense to Ethan Phillips. He was just doing his job.

I look at that, and all I see is a waste of perfectly good air. Kind of like all that air Neelix was breathing his entire life; something the Vidiians quite rightly tried to remedy thanklessly. Let's not discount transporting directly him into space.

Everyone thinks Neelix left because of Dexa. This could not be more wrong, although she provides a useful cover.

Here are the facts:

Kes was less than one year old when Neelix took up with her. In second year of voyager, they mention halfway through she hasn't even reached 2 yet. That means she was no older than 6 months when Neelix met her.

Everyone assumes Kes dumped Neelix, sometime after warlord. Unseen. I say no, this was producers deliberating obfuscating Neelix's ongoing crimes. I will submit that Neelix was surprised at Kes' fast maturation cycle and let her go. She got too old for him.

Supporting this, in the episode Kes left, Neelix wasn't even there to say goodbye; with her emerging powers he wisely made himself scarce and just hoped to be spared her righteous wrath. Luckily she wasn't homocidal in her revenge mode yet, but she felt so disgusted, she flung the ship 10,000 light years away, just to get him away from her. The gift was to herself.

Neelix then got his tentacles onto Naomi Wildman. Anybody familiar with the show knows Naomi follows Kes' arc - grows and matures very quickly. And she has 3-4 years with Neelix, before they part ways.

In the episode Neelix left, one major plot point was that Naomi was getting too old and independent of Neelix. Loosely tied to this, and most damning of all, Kes felt the need to attack Voyager years after she left -- with an implication of untold trauma where she just felt she had to lash out, which we can assume she experienced on Voyager.

Conclusion:
Naomi Wildman, seeing Kes' angst, became close to outing Neelix and Voyager had to do this in an unsaid fashion. Neelix, like in the past, knew when it was time to skidaddle. He runs into Dexa and more importantly, her young impressionable son -- and finds his next victim to boot. Better yet, once Voyager is some months away, he's safe no matter how long the secret holds out. They're not gonna backtrack 3 months. Janeway would rather fight 5 borg cubes than take a 90 minute detour out of her way.

Secondary thoughts:
Neelix had a multitude of victims over the years and Kes and Naomi weren't the only ones that learned misery by crossing his path. One of the most obvious is Crewman Hogan, who fell victim to Neelix's legendary "Survival Skills", when he ordered the Hogan to pick up some useless bones at the mouth of a cave obviously housing a monster. We can only speculate what Hogan knew or how he crossed Neelix.

Another victim is Tuvok. Voyager was sadistic with that ongoing ballad throughout the series. While the anguish with dealing with Neelix would driven most people insane, Tuvok contracted his degenerative mental disease when combined with Neelix in the form of Tuvix. There were undoubtedly memories Tuvok had to suppress despite his cold logic and it afflicted him, much like the episode Flashback with the fake traumatic memory. We can only imagine how the real Neelix ones affected him.

This also explains why Tuvok made a special effort to reach out to Kes time and again in the only way he knew how, with the mental training. But cold Vulcan logic couldn't overcome their kind of hurt.

The last bit of supporting evidence is that every leading unmarried male had romantic dreams or hopes with Seven, however fleeting. Harry. The Doctor. Voyager's wooden plank and 1st Officer.... Chakotay. Even Tom Paris flirted with her for a scene. Except one. Guess who and why? Janeway had to pick up his slack.

Aftermath:
Unfortunately, Voyager only had 2 more episodes after we see Neelix leave with his latest victim, Brax.

Thanks to the Voyager crew's deception, I believe the Talaxian colonists would have had a misunderstanding of Neelix's [in]compentencies and handed him some type of leadership position -- whereupon the colony would have imploded within 3 months, consumed in a nuclear inferno.

Then the borg, ever hot on Voyager's trail, would have found Neelix crawling around within the lava, and assimilated him for the ship knowledge.

Over time, like with Tuvok, he would corrupted their mental processes more and more --- so thoroughly that the Queen herself goes haywire, and Neelix can assume his rightful mantle.

Darth Talax. [Seen here with other beneficiaries of his mad "Survival Skillz".]

I would have watched the 23 seasons of Voyager, what it took to get home, if one or two episodes per season featured Darth Talax of the Bjorn Again Bjorg trying to get his revenge against Voyager and getting his behind whooped every time.

That would have been worth over twenty years of Threshold episodes.

Pay attention folks. THIS is how you answer a question.

 

[Catarina]

I don't hate Neelix but boy a picture makes a good visual context. I laugh every time this pops up.

 

[Catarina]

First off, I want to say no offense to Ethan Phillips. He was just doing his job.

I look at that, and all I see is a waste of perfectly good air. Kind of like all that air Neelix was breathing his entire life; something the Vidiians quite rightly tried to remedy thanklessly. Let's not discount transporting directly him into space.

Everyone thinks Neelix left because of Dexa. This could not be more wrong, although she provides a useful cover.

Here are the facts:

Kes was less than one year old when Neelix took up with her. In second year of voyager, they mention halfway through she hasn't even reached 2 yet. That means she was no older than 6 months when Neelix met her.

Everyone assumes Kes dumped Neelix, sometime after warlord. Unseen. I say no, this was producers deliberating obfuscating Neelix's ongoing crimes. I will submit that Neelix was surprised at Kes' fast maturation cycle and let her go. She got too old for him.

Supporting this, in the episode Kes left, Neelix wasn't even there to say goodbye; with her emerging powers he wisely made himself scarce and just hoped to be spared her righteous wrath. Luckily she wasn't homocidal in her revenge mode yet, but she felt so disgusted, she flung the ship 10,000 light years away, just to get him away from her. The gift was to herself.

Neelix then got his tentacles onto Naomi Wildman. Anybody familiar with the show knows Naomi follows Kes' arc - grows and matures very quickly. And she has 3-4 years with Neelix, before they part ways.

In the episode Neelix left, one major plot point was that Naomi was getting too old and independent of Neelix. Loosely tied to this, and most damning of all, Kes felt the need to attack Voyager years after she left -- with an implication of untold trauma where she just felt she had to lash out, which we can assume she experienced on Voyager.

Conclusion:
Naomi Wildman, seeing Kes' angst, became close to outing Neelix and Voyager had to do this in an unsaid fashion. Neelix, like in the past, knew when it was time to skidaddle. He runs into Dexa and more importantly, her young impressionable son -- and finds his next victim to boot. Better yet, once Voyager is some months away, he's safe no matter how long the secret holds out. They're not gonna backtrack 3 months. Janeway would rather fight 5 borg cubes than take a 90 minute detour out of her way.

Secondary thoughts:
Neelix had a multitude of victims over the years and Kes and Naomi weren't the only ones that learned misery by crossing his path. One of the most obvious is Crewman Hogan, who fell victim to Neelix's legendary "Survival Skills", when he ordered the Hogan to pick up some useless bones at the mouth of a cave obviously housing a monster. We can only speculate what Hogan knew or how he crossed Neelix.

Another victim is Tuvok. Voyager was sadistic with that ongoing ballad throughout the series. While the anguish with dealing with Neelix would driven most people insane, Tuvok contracted his degenerative mental disease when combined with Neelix in the form of Tuvix. There were undoubtedly memories Tuvok had to suppress despite his cold logic and it afflicted him, much like the episode Flashback with the fake traumatic memory. We can only imagine how the real Neelix ones affected him.

This also explains why Tuvok made a special effort to reach out to Kes time and again in the only way he knew how, with the mental training. But cold Vulcan logic couldn't overcome their kind of hurt.

The last bit of supporting evidence is that every leading unmarried male had romantic dreams or hopes with Seven, however fleeting. Harry. The Doctor. Voyager's wooden plank and 1st Officer.... Chakotay. Even Tom Paris flirted with her for a scene. Except one. Guess who and why? Janeway had to pick up his slack.

Aftermath:
Unfortunately, Voyager only had 2 more episodes after we see Neelix leave with his latest victim, Brax.

Thanks to the Voyager crew's deception, I believe the Talaxian colonists would have had a misunderstanding of Neelix's [in]compentencies and handed him some type of leadership position -- whereupon the colony would have imploded within 3 months, consumed in a nuclear inferno.

Then the borg, ever hot on Voyager's trail, would have found Neelix crawling around within the lava, and assimilated him for the ship knowledge.

Over time, like with Tuvok, he would corrupted their mental processes more and more --- so thoroughly that the Queen herself goes haywire, and Neelix can assume his rightful mantle.

Darth Talax. [Seen here with other beneficiaries of his mad "Survival Skillz".]

I would have watched the 23 seasons of Voyager, what it took to get home, if one or two episodes per season featured Darth Talax of the Bjorn Again Bjorg trying to get his revenge against Voyager and getting his behind whooped every time.

That would have been worth over twenty years of Threshold episodes.

Pay attention folks. THIS is how you answer a question.

it's very complete. I can't sit here hunched over a tablet to do the same, two thumbing a report. But I admit, I'd read his other work.