Poll How positive are you about Discovery now?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Mage, Jul 26, 2017.

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What is your view on Discovery?

  1. Very positive

    81 vote(s)
    24.1%
  2. Positive

    90 vote(s)
    26.8%
  3. Somewhat positive but hesitant

    56 vote(s)
    16.7%
  4. Neutral

    24 vote(s)
    7.1%
  5. Somewhat negative but hopeful

    33 vote(s)
    9.8%
  6. Negative

    34 vote(s)
    10.1%
  7. Very negative

    18 vote(s)
    5.4%
  1. BillJ

    BillJ History's Greatest Monster Premium Member

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    That's exactly what I don't want. A serialized show has never held my interests long term (it always feels like there is a ton of padding going on), and Deep Space Nine didn't either.

    It is funny the difference between these threads and the ones on The Orville. Even those threads are light and breezy.
     
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  2. Serveaux

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    That's because watching it makes us happy. :D
     
  3. Rahul

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    At first I was questioning you're reading skills. But then I noticed you deliberately left out important parts of my quotes to alter them and make them fit your (wrong) point.

    That makes you not bad at reading. That makes you LYING.

    The entire quote of mine, with the parts you deliberately left out, is this:

    You might have noticed: I cared for TNG because of the characters, and the wild, imaginative plots and aliens (yada, yada, repeating myself). That's 2(!) things currently missing from DIS. The second part is obvious (don't care for the war story). And I don't care for the characters of DIS, currently. Because, and that point has been made multiple times, I haven't seen DIS yet and don't know the characters yet. Or whether I will like them in the end or not. But I even aknowledged the charactes of DIS are looking promising already.

    Since the rest of your post has been equally willfully seperated from reality or our previous discussion, I'm not going to put in the effort to retort to every single other inaccuracy or willfull fabrication of yours in your post.
     
  4. Ensign Ogahd Ahmganadai

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    To each their own but seriously, serialization can lead to padding? Really?

    No, sir. It's serialization (shows designed to be binge-watched) that leads to tight, focused storytelling.

    TNG and VGR had padding, and lots of it. If I were to excise every episode of those series that literally contributed nothing to character development, story direction or the Trek mythos as a whole, I'd probably have about three seasons left (combined).
     
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  5. BillJ

    BillJ History's Greatest Monster Premium Member

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    No. Even The Handmaid's Tale, which I loved, meandered quite a bit.
     
  6. BillJ

    BillJ History's Greatest Monster Premium Member

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    Even the people who say they are excited for Discovery don't seem happy.
     
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  7. Ensign Ogahd Ahmganadai

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    Haven't watched it, can't really say. But that's one example out of hundreds.
     
  8. Serveaux

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    Sometimes, yeah.

    Sometimes, yeah.
     
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  9. Ensign Ogahd Ahmganadai

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    I'm very happy about DSC. Not so happy to get together with other fans only to see that a very vocal contingent is slamming DSC without giving it a chance.
     
  10. Serveaux

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    Not a lot of slamming going on here.

    The word you want is "skepticism."
     
  11. BillJ

    BillJ History's Greatest Monster Premium Member

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    Like I said before, this is a message board not a pep rally.
     
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  12. Ensign Ogahd Ahmganadai

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    Some are skeptical. Some are already writing it off.
     
  13. Serveaux

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    No one much has said they're not watching the pilot now, have they?
     
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  14. BillJ

    BillJ History's Greatest Monster Premium Member

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    I've already written it off so much I have had CBS All-Access for the last three weeks in anticipation and own two of the Discovery arrowhead badges.
     
  15. Serveaux

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    You, on the other hand, are so anxious to win the argument before the series even premieres that you started a topic titled, in part, "This should settle it" last week.

    That's what's being called "boosterism."
     
  16. Ensign Ogahd Ahmganadai

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    Do you believe it's impossible for people to go into this willingly, but are so convinced they won't like it that all they'll do is look for flaws so they can claim they were right? It happened in 2001 and it's happening now.
     
  17. Ensign Ogahd Ahmganadai

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    Mainly what I felt it settled was whether or not DSC was a secret reboot or would ignore canon. I said in the thread I could have been more clear about it.

    I just feel like optimism better serves us than pessimism. I don't understand why that's become so wrong.
     
  18. Serveaux

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    I don't understand why not jumping on a bandwagon has become so wrong.
     
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    There are several bandwagons one can jump on. One such bandwagon is the "I'm skeptical so I refuse to say even one positive thing about it."

    You're on a bandwagon, too.
     
  20. Serveaux

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    I don't understand why not jumping on a bandwagon has become so wrong.
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    It's really tough to get away with the "you're another" dodge when called out. Try something different, please.

    I have an opinion of what I see. I have no ax to grind here.

    I'm generally, from TNG forward, pretty excited about any new Trek - I've been called a booster from time to time myself, especially as regarded Enterprise.

    I don't care if a new production changes everything. In fact, I rather prefer it.

    I don't give a fuck about canon. I consider it trivial. If they recast Spock or Kirk as a woman, I'd be interested.

    I'm not protective of older productions and shows, although I have strong preferences among them (TOS first and always).

    You can reboot the hell out of Trek and I'll look forward to it. If you did a gussied-up version of TOS with the same sets and costumes - I'd be real skeptical of the success of that, but I'd love it (I've worked on a fan film or two).

    I flat-out love the Abrams movies, all three of them. I'll fight it out with all comers on that one. :D

    I like all the Discovery cast I've seen. I like the look of the Klingons. I like the spaceship models. I'm not in love with the sets and costumes.

    I was extremely positive about this series until we started seeing, you know, content - people talking, moving images, music, etc.

    Now I'm more skeptical. Because I respond to what they show me.

    Oh, don't worry - this series will be a huge success for CBS. I can almost guarantee that. Most Trek fans will come around.

    So what the fuck are you so defensive about?
     
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