Poll How positive are you about Discovery now?

[{ Emilia }]

Exactly where I'd expect them to be. There are Lots of closed minded fans and this BBS is no different as we've all discovered over the last few decades. Only social media makes it different from other periods when they were taking out ads protesting STNG and sending death threats to Leonard Nimoy. A large percentage hate newness and are extremely complacent. Hopefully DSC shakes things up. I'd be extremely comfortable and even happy if the franchise lost a lot of these hangers on and gained new fans like early Berman Trek did.

The funny thing is: I'm not enthusiastic about Discovery because it doesn't seem new enough. It ticks the same old Star Trek boxes judging from the trailer and images, except it's actually not even cheerful.
When you promise actual character development and "conflict" and your first trailer is full of "WE HAVE ENGAGED THE KLINGONS!" shouting on the bridge, I can't help but find it very formulaic. The same goes for the design: The production value is there but I find it uninspired and playing it safe. Same for the theme.
I've yet to see something that made me go: "Now THAT is interesting."

I want some shit we haven't seen in Trek before: Actual witty and fun dialogue, exciting stories, real character development and relationships (not necessarily romantic).

It's quite the opposite of being closed-minded and not wanting new stuff. Now I do realize we've only seen trailers so I hope the actual show will be better than this.

 

[Mudd]

The funny thing is I'm not all that enthusiastic about Discovery because it doesn't seem new enough. It ticks the same old Star Trek boxes judging from the trailer and images, except it's actually not even cheerful.
When you promise actual character development and "conflict" and your first trailer is full of "WE HAVE ENGAGED THE KLINGONS!" shouting on the bridge, I can't help but find it very formulaic. The same goes for the design: The production value is there but I find it uninspired and playing it safe. Same for the theme.
I've yet to see something that made me go: "Now THAT is interesting."

Yep. Word for word, this summarizes it.

There's no there, there.

 

[BillJ]

I've yet to see something that made me go: "Now THAT is interesting."

You don't find Captain Lorca having a standing desk interesting?!?

 

[CorporalClegg]

The funny thing is: I'm not enthusiastic about Discovery because it doesn't seem new enough. It ticks the same old Star Trek boxes judging from the trailer and images, except it's actually not even cheerful.
When you promise actual character development and "conflict" and your first trailer is full of "WE HAVE ENGAGED THE KLINGONS!" shouting on the bridge, I can't help but find it very formulaic. The same goes for the design: The production value is there but I find it uninspired and playing it safe. Same for the theme.
I've yet to see something that made me go: "Now THAT is interesting."

I want some shit we haven't seen in Trek before: Actual witty and fun dialogue, exciting stories, real character development and relationships (not necessarily romantic).

It's quite the opposite of being closed-minded and not wanting new stuff. Now I do realize we've only seen trailers so I hope the actual show will be better than this.

Yes!

 

[BillJ]

This doesn't exactly fill me with confidence...

"Sometimes it might feel like we’re flirting with controversy, but we have a way around it. [If people] binge the show they’ll see how we're making these plans and how we're paying things off," adds Hartsarb.

http://www.gamesradar.com/why-star-trek-discovery-might-seem-like-its-violating-star-trek-canon/

 

[CorporalClegg]

Translation: "We're like Bud in accounting who confronts the person who steals his yogurt from the fridge by sending out an anonymous memo."

 

[Krandor]

You know that Brannon Braga had very little to do with what Trek was like a generation ago - right? So-called "modern Trek" was primarily guided by Gene Roddenberry and Rick Berman.

I guess I nromally think of that era as berman and braga. Think i pulled out braga's name mainly because he is over at Orville right now.

Point is still the same. I think they did all they could with that formula for trek for TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT

 

[Refuge]

Starting to feel a little darker again. Maybe the first two episodes just set the scene and not so much the tone of what is to come. I get the pre Prime Directive aspect with the prospect of war and conflict but moving on and learning from that I'm hopeful that discovery and space exploration is still going to be the 'apparatus' of Trek. Maybe the discovery part is going to be about discovering Federation principles?? Sure that is going to be heart of the story but I want my escapism too.

 

[RAMA]

Like I said before, it won't feel anything like late stage braga-berman trek. Your criticism (if true) is in the minority by a great deal.

The funny thing is: I'm not enthusiastic about Discovery because it doesn't seem new enough. It ticks the same old Star Trek boxes judging from the trailer and images, except it's actually not even cheerful.
When you promise actual character development and "conflict" and your first trailer is full of "WE HAVE ENGAGED THE KLINGONS!" shouting on the bridge, I can't help but find it very formulaic. The same goes for the design: The production value is there but I find it uninspired and playing it safe. Same for the theme.
I've yet to see something that made me go: "Now THAT is interesting."

I want some shit we haven't seen in Trek before: Actual witty and fun dialogue, exciting stories, real character development and relationships (not necessarily romantic).

It's quite the opposite of being closed-minded and not wanting new stuff. Now I do realize we've only seen trailers so I hope the actual show will be better than this.

 

[Mudd]

Right now everything we've seen plays exactly like old Trek. No improvement at all. Try paying attention to the content of what you're looking at.

 

[Gepard]

From:
https://trekmovie.com/2017/09/12/st...-about-capt-lorca-and-the-uss-discovery-crew/

"Lietenant Paul Stamets - the diligent scientist
Stamets studies Prototaxites stellaviatorae – a species made up of exotic matter found not only in our dimension, but also in a discrete subspace domain known as the ‘mycelial network.’ These subspace ‘shrooms are used in engineering for a mysterious new method of space travel. They are also somehow pivotal to the war with the Klingons."


Jesus Fucking Christ.

You've got to be kidding me.

A "subspace domain" filled with nothing but fungus sounds like a gag from Rick and Morty.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Your criticism (if true) is in the minority by a great deal.

That doesn't make any sense.

 

[Mach5]

Right now everything we've seen plays exactly like old Trek.

I'm still hoping that the trailers are misrepresenting the show.

But I still shake my head in disbelief every time I hear Lorca speak in American accent. And honestly, the suit who gave the main theme his blessing is either tone-deaf or brain-dead.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Right now everything we've seen plays exactly like old Trek. No improvement at all. Try paying attention to the content of what you're looking at.

They are claiming it's supposed to be character and conflict driven, which is quite a bit different from TNG/VOY's planet of the week formula. DS9 and ENT did it to an extent, however.

I'm still hopeful.

 

[Mudd]

They are claiming it's supposed to be character and conflict driven, which is quite a bit different from TNG/VOY's planet of the week formula. DS9 and ENT did it to an extent, however.

I'm still hopeful.

I expect it'll be watchable. And "The Orville" turned out to be a lot more than its ads suggested. So maybe Discovery's promotion is misleading...

 

[BillJ]

Right now everything we've seen plays exactly like old Trek. No improvement at all. Try paying attention to the content of what you're looking at.

But they're spending lots of money!!1!

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Translation: "We're like Bud in accounting who confronts the person who steals his yogurt from the fridge by sending out an anonymous memo."

Stay the hell away from my yogurt! There, not anonymous anymore!

 

[Ometiklan]

...When you promise actual character development and "conflict" and your first trailer is full of "WE HAVE ENGAGED THE KLINGONS!" shouting on the bridge, I can't help but find it very formulaic. The same goes for the design: The production value is there but I find it uninspired and playing it safe. Same for the theme.
I've yet to see something that made me go: "Now THAT is interesting."

I want some shit we haven't seen in Trek before: Actual witty and fun dialogue, exciting stories, real character development and relationships (not necessarily romantic).

It's quite the opposite of being closed-minded and not wanting new stuff. Now I do realize we've only seen trailers so I hope the actual show will be better than this.

First of all, as we should all realize by now first trailers are often misleading as to the direction of the show (see The Orville or Star Trek Beyond for prime examples). Their purpose is to get eyeballs and attract the largest pot of potential viewers to know the show is coming.

Second, as for the design, you think they are playing it safe? Really? For me, other than the Discovey's bridge, which we haven't even gotten a clear look at under normal lighting/framing conditions and so far seems very stark, practically everything else is not what I would have expected: the Klingons, the uniforms, transporter rooms, etc.

Finally, maybe this is unnecessary, but have you seen DS9? I would say it is full of "witty and fun dialogue, exciting stories, real character development and relationships". On the other hand I would agree that Voyager and Enterprise did not do very well with dialogue, character development and relationships.

You've got to be kidding me.

A "subspace domain" filled with nothing but fungus sounds like a gag from Rick and Morty.

I don't see it as "filled with nothing but fungus" but rather like the Pando/Trembling Giant aspen tree, or the giant Armillaria ostoyae fungus in Oregon, where the organism is connected underground. I think the astro-fungus lives in and is interconnected by a subspace domain, which Discovery seeks to access/take advantage of.

I expect it'll be watchable. And "The Orville" turned out to be a lot more than its ads suggested. So maybe Discovery's promotion is misleading...

While I agree that The Orville was different than it's ads suggested, so far, I would say it turned out to be "less" than. I don't think it was as funny as I was hoping, and so far the drama/story/characters have been too thin.

 

[{ Emilia }]

Finally, maybe this is unnecessary, but have you seen DS9? I would say it is full of "witty and fun dialogue, exciting stories, real character development and relationships".

Maybe this is unnecessary, but have you seen non-Trek TV shows? I would say quite a few of those are actually full of fun dialog and real character development that make DS9 look incredibly mediocre.

And yes, from a non-Trekkie perspective the design is totally playing it safe. The fact that some hardcore fans lose their shit because Klingons and transporters look different is not evidence of actual innovative design or interesting genuinely new approaches.

 

[Krandor]

First of all, as we should all realize by now first trailers are often misleading as to the direction of the show (see The Orville or Star Trek Beyond for prime examples). Their purpose is to get eyeballs and attract the largest pot of potential viewers to know the show is coming.

From an interview with isaacs that just came out

Let’s talk about the tone of Discovery. The Star Trek I saw when I was young was not very action-packed. There was action, but not much. What’s the balance in Discovery?

We have action. Obviously, the trailers are action-heavy because that's what you do in trailers, but that's not representative of the show. One of the great differences, and I think joys, of this version of Star Trek is it's a 15-hour unfolding narrative, like a novel, and the relationships can take twists and turns and they're dug into much more deeply. And it's far more about how we are with each other and what and who we are with each, other than it is about things blowing up. There's actually… not that there isn't some dynamic stuff and kinetic stuff, but it's mostly, as always, about moral dilemmas, and “What would I do if I was that person in this tricky situation?”