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Poll How positive are you about Discovery now?

What is your view on Discovery?

  • Very positive

    Votes: 81 24.1%
  • Positive

    Votes: 90 26.8%
  • Somewhat positive but hesitant

    Votes: 56 16.7%
  • Neutral

    Votes: 24 7.1%
  • Somewhat negative but hopeful

    Votes: 33 9.8%
  • Negative

    Votes: 34 10.1%
  • Very negative

    Votes: 18 5.4%

  • Total voters
    336
There's actually… not that there isn't some dynamic stuff and kinetic stuff, but it's mostly, as always, about moral dilemmas, and “What would I do if I was that person in this tricky situation?”

Sounds like somebody is ingesting the Goddenberry 'shrooms!
 
And always the "junior partner" by his own accounts. There really is no "Braga Trek."
ORLY
https://www.google.com/search?q=Ric...X&ved=0ahUKEwiJr97FhqXWAhVQ9mMKHfiuDwgQri4IJg
Lets see:
- Started as an Intern on TNG.
- Co-Wrote the films ST:GEN and ST:FC
- Became a Producer on ST:YOY and was then promoted to Exec. Producer and Showrunner.
^^^
ST:YOY was the onlt Star Trek series I stopped watching after "The 37's")

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Enterprise#Crew
^^^
-Co Creater of ENT.; and listed as a Co-Showrunners

Yep - you're right there is really no "Braga Trek"...oh, wait... ;)

CBS has an embargo on reviews - studios usually do this when they expect a movie or show to be trashed.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/cbs-wont-allow-any-reviews-of-star-trek-discovery-befo-1809073782

So, however positive we may be, the studio is worried.
In this case - they know how vocal fans can be and just want to have revieewers hold off publishing any review until the air date.
^^^
That ISN'T uncommon (a publishing embargo). IF they didn't allow critics to see the pilot episode (and again, from the article they did screen the episode to critics - they're just embargoing publishing reviews until after the first episode airs) - then you'd be right, and that there could be something the studio is concerned about. (And lets be honest studios are ALWAYS concerned with expensive productions of high value IPs.)

In this case though - I think it's more of an overall marketing strategy for the TV premiere than any real concern that the product overall is shoddy. But we'll see in 10 days.
 
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CBS has an embargo on reviews - studios usually do this when they expect a movie or show to be trashed.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/cbs-wont-allow-any-reviews-of-star-trek-discovery-befo-1809073782

So, however positive we may be, the studio is worried.

Uh-oh! This is not a good sign! In fact, this is a really, really bad sign:(

Yes, embargos are "normal". But usually they get lifted a week before the airdate, to generate buzz right before people can watch it. Withholding reviews until the airdate is... unusual. To say the least. And usually only happens when the creators aren't content with a work. Aka they know finished the product, saw the product, and knew people, regular people, won't know what to do with it.

Don't get fooled: This is not to avoid fan-backlash. This is to avoid regular opinions. That means problems with the basics, aka "characters", or "plot". This is so people aren't able to see the horrible Rotten Tomatoes-score before it airs.

This is the Fant4stic/BvS-way of handling bad reviews:thumbdown:
 
Uh-oh! This is not a good sign! In fact, this is a really, really bad sign:(

Yes, embargos are "normal". But usually they get lifted a week before the airdate, to generate buzz right before people can watch it. Withholding reviews until the airdate is... unusual. To say the least. And usually only happens when the creators aren't content with a work. Aka they know finished the product, saw the product, and knew people, regular people, won't know what to do with it.

Don't get fooled: This is not to avoid fan-backlash. This is to avoid regular opinions. That means problems with the basics, aka "characters", or "plot". This is so people aren't able to see the horrible Rotten Tomatoes-score before it airs.

This is the Fant4stic/BvS-way of handling bad reviews:thumbdown:

Look at the marketing for discovery. Very little in the way of plot information has been released in any of them. This appears intentional and not allowing reviews is probably part of the secrecy and they want to keep the plot secret until it airs.

If they were really worried they would not be doing screenings for the critics but they are doing those. Don't let critics see it and it is a bad bad sign. Not wanting spoilers to leak until it airs is not a huge red flag.
 
Yeah, no. It's not about Spoilers. Embargos on specific plot points is a thing that studios regularly do. That's why no review spoiled the twist ending of, say Wonder Woman or anything. This is specifically only there to silence critical views.
 
In this case - they know how vocal fans can be and just want to have revieewers hold off publishing any review until the air date.

Because they expect the reviewers to say bad things, which "vocal fans" will repeat all over the Internet. That's why a studio embargoes reviews until after a premiere.

There are often embargoes of material collected at press junkets or reviews until X-number-of-days before premiere. It's customary for such embargoes to be released days or a week or so before the premiere.

Considering how secretive they've been about the plot up to now, it seems to me they're more worried about spoilers than negative reviews.

If anything The Orville just demonstrated how reviews don't really mean much...

Absolutely. Reviews may or may not matter in the end - where Trek is concerned, they're certainly not going to depress the premiere - but what they do mean is that the studio expects reviewers to say bad things about the show and they want to minimize that.

Yeah, no. It's not about Spoilers. Embargos on specific plot points is a thing that studios regularly do. That's why no review spoiled the twist ending of, say Wonder Woman or anything. This is specifically only there to silence critical views.

That's entirely correct.
 
Many shows have done embargos even if they don't expect negative reviews. Recent example is the return of twin peaks had a review embargo until the premier.

It is honestly quite shocking that they have done so good a job to keep spoilers from leaking on disovery at all. I don't see them wanting to risk changing that now.
 
You guys are just being paranoid, I'm pretty sure it's just about the keeping spoilers from getting out.
 
You guys are just being paranoid, I'm pretty sure it's just about the keeping spoilers from getting out.

Whether it be a movie, TV show or video game, it never looks good when there's a review embargo. Regardless of the internal reason for it.
 
In a culture where it's the thing now to know every plot detail before even seeing it, maybe they just don't want that?

Since this cost a lot of money and they want people to...watch it and not have half of it memorised as fans would days before it airs.

Remember when that happened? a surprise twist meant watching it *during* the movie or episode. Man the 90's seems so long ago.
 
You guys are just being paranoid, I'm pretty sure it's just about the keeping spoilers from getting out.

That's why studios provide a list of plot points that they ask people not to include in pre-airing reviews. They don't ban them entirely unless they know what the reception is going to be.
 
It's simply never a good idea nor a good sign to have the pilot episode of your brand spanking new show locked behind a critics firewall. Surely good reviews drive WoM = more subs.
 
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