Honestly I don't care. Provided they don't do something stupid like have the Borg in the movie or something.
Details, like the name of Kirk's yeoman's second cousin's best friend's dog that was mentioned in one episode, I couldn't care less about. Nor visual details like uniform/set updates, ridgy Klingons and the inevitable WHOOOOOSH as the Enterprise flies by. I will also see no need to 'justify' any such changes by making up a convoluted reason why they fit in with what's been seen before. In particular this applies to very early TOS before things got established and characters got set in place. I.e. they can violate the ass off WNMHGB and I won't care.
But what I don't want to see is violations of continuity for no other reason than they didn't have any other ideas. Idiotic fanwank stuff like the Ferengi/the Borg being around centuries before they should be, no thought at all given to a realistic progression of history in-universe, etc. Update the film visually for the 21st century market, but if you're gonna set it within continuity (rather than a remake/reboot), stay in line with the big stuff.
Oh and one last thing. If they're really going to depart from the established world, I hope they at least have the guts to say they are. Use the word 'reboot', use 'alternate reality', use 'separate continuity'. Don't make a completely ridiculous attempt at a prequel (yes, I'm looking at you, Enterprise), and then try to pass it off as fitting into the timeline when the preceding movie gave you the perfect, ready-made, not-even-fanboyishly-convoluted reason to claim an alternate timeline now existed.
But what I don't want to see is violations of continuity for no other reason than they didn't have any other ideas. Idiotic fanwank stuff like the Ferengi/the Borg being around centuries before they should be, no thought at all given to a realistic progression of history in-universe, etc. Update the film visually for the 21st century market, but if you're gonna set it within continuity (rather than a remake/reboot), stay in line with the big stuff.
Oh and one last thing. If they're really going to depart from the established world, I hope they at least have the guts to say they are. Use the word 'reboot', use 'alternate reality', use 'separate continuity'. Don't make a completely ridiculous attempt at a prequel (yes, I'm looking at you, Enterprise), and then try to pass it off as fitting into the timeline when the preceding movie gave you the perfect, ready-made, not-even-fanboyishly-convoluted reason to claim an alternate timeline now existed.
I want to see someone violate a cannon so long as the cannon puts up a spirited fight.
NO ONE violates cannon or else!
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I sure as hell don't want to piss off a constipated guy with a gun.
Who the heck is Doctor Fix?
I'm desperately in fear of a Doctor Mcoy showing up, whoever that is, instead of Dr. McCoy. Are you the unreal McCoy?
I'm desperately in fear of a Chekovv or a Checkov showing up, whoever that is, instead of Chekov. Geesh, if you're going to trawl, at least go with a literate wrong spelling of the name: Chekhov, or Chuikov.
James Blish already dealt with this, erm, about 40 frigging years ago. Dr. McCoy is away to a medical conference, Dr. Piper is filling in during his absence. Sulu's in line for command, he has to do turns in all areas, including sciences, as he was a physics major at the Academy. Alden is Uhura's #1 assistant, and often pulls bridge duty opposite hers. And we know from Khan, that Chekov was somewhere else on the ship other than the bridge.
Sort of silly to ask about Star Trek XI following canon, when one isn't even familiar with 40+ years of Trek.
it seems reasonable enough to me. On one of his missions, Archer encounters a few greedy, big-eared space pirates from an unknown race; if they give a name for themselves, it's something other than Ferengi. (As an analogy, consider a set of names like Hessians, Prussians, Germans, and Nazis.)
200 years later, Starfleet hears rumors about a mysterious Ferengi empire; they don't know much about these Ferengi, including what they look like. So until Picard's crew actually see the Ferengi, there's no reason to make the connection between the mysterious Ferengi empire and one particular small group of space pirates from 200 years before.
OK, Enterprise is supposed to be the first crew on the first proper mission, and they manage to make it back to Earth in an episode length or so. i.e. they're still pretty close to home. And they're running into the Ferengi already? Yet we're supposed to swallow that they have no named contact between then and 'The Last Outpost'?
This is precisely what I meant by unnecessary fanwank continuity screwing. There was no need for the Ferengi to show up in that episode - it's just lazy writing. They could even have done the exact same story with a different race. Yet because they decided to throw continuity to the winds for no creative reason we have to scramble around trying to sew back together all their slip-ups with increasingly spindly threads.
Basically, necessary continuity changes for general viewer acceptance, 21st century quality film-making or real story benefit - good. To paraphrase the Matrix, 'there are levels of canon we are prepared to accept'.
Unnecessary changes for no solid reason whatsoever - bad.
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... the point is its extremely LAME.
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... the point is its extremely LAME. Like someone running around doing the WHAASSSUUPP!!! thing from those old commercials, as if it was still funny something.
Yeah, sure it's "reasonable" that someone might be saying whasup? to a friend. It's also extremely lame.
I didn't say Blish was Holy High Canon. I simply said that Blish was able to work around these issues 40 years ago and not get in the way of the story. I'm sure JJ and O&K have had no problems making similar accomodations as needed in their script.
Anyone who's read Star Trek 1-12 and Mudd's Angels is quite aware of a little violation of canon not getting in the way of a story, if it's retconned well. Many place WNMHGB as far as a year and a half into Kirk's 5YM. If O&K choose, there's no reason that McCoy can't be there at the start, and Sulu shown working a rotation at say, Navigator before going to Engineering, then Sciences, then Helm... Furthermore, Mitchell might not be available yet, and Kirk is forced to appoint Spock as First Officer, even though he'd have rather had Mitchell.
Orci's bright and well-versed in the unpenned sections of Kirk's 1701 years. They'll have no problem, and nothing they write will end up being any true violation of canon.
Anyway, who the hell is Abrahm?
Let's knock off the spelling and grammar nit picking guys. OK?
Why don't they know what they look like? They should, unless Starfleet is staffed entirely by morons. Did the crew of the Enterprise suddenly come down with a case of total amnesia after the Ferengi left? Even if we buy the idea that Starfleet has never had the common sense to put cameras in every corridor of the vessel, for simple security reasons (and it should go beyond the visible light spectrum, they should monitor EM radition and everything else imaginable as a matter of course), the crew could DRAW A FREAKING PICTURE and put it in their database. They could WRITE A DESCRIPTION - do SOMETHING!
Collecting data on alien species worlds is their job. If they aren't out there to look at a Ferengi and record something about the critters, then why did they leave Earth? The stupidity of it all still kills me.
Starfleet MUST have a database of past alien encounters so that Starfleet personnel can point their tricorder at New Alien #2783 and have the device tell them that's actually Old Alien #73 and by the way, this species interprets sneezing as a mortal insult and will kill you instantly for it, or whatever crazy thing the redshirts need to know to keep from getting killed.
A simple face recognition program using those sketches froma century ago would do the trick. The Ferengi are pretty damn recognizable. Even a written description combined with face recognition in a tricorder should do it.
I don't mind canon violations when they serve some interesting purpose. I mind writing that's just stupid and lazy, whether canon happens to be violated or not. For Picard not to know what the Ferengi looks like calls into question what the hell Starfleet is doing in the first place. They sure aren't doing the job of explorers, which is fundamentally to find and record data for future explorers to make use of. Starfleet personnel as depicted by ENT were nothing more than tourists.
But you can afford more space for exposition (and rationalization) in a book than you can in a movie.
If the movie is about the coming together of the main seven and the beginning of their legendary voyages together, then it gets pretty messy to show it was really piecemeal, or there were others who were also there at the beginning, if just for a short period of time (Piper, Kelso, and Mitchell, for example).
Frankly, for purposes of this movie, it may be easier to tell a more compelling and economical (as in tight) story by assuming them away or at least just not mentioning them at all. Then, let fans who care decide if not mentioning them means they "still exist" or not.
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