How much would a little violation of canon bother you?

[ktanner3]

I saw an interesting point brought up in another thread. In the second pilot you had different characters for the ships helmsmen,doctor,and various other parts. There was no Doctor Mcoy,Uhura or Chekovv.Sulu wasn't anything more than a background character. Should the new movie follow canon to the letter and have Doctor Fix and Lt.Kelso,or should a little twisting allow Uhura,Mcoy,Sulu,Scotty and Checkov be in their usual spots? How much would this playing fast and loose with Trek history bother you?

 

[EyalM]

If this is an alternate time line then there shouldn't be any continuity problems.

 

[The Doctor]

It would bother me more if such insignificant details were followed. The crew of the Enterprise that everyone knows is the one that we'll see in the new movie. I'm amazed that Pike is playing a role at all, quite frankly.

 

[stonester1]

Which should comfort fans. With Pike in there, enough canon is being followed that it will feel like Trek. They are paying attention to details.

Never a bad thing.

 

[TeutonicNights]

I remember in the german version, they had Dr.Piper actually say "I'm the replacement during Dr.McCoy's absence."

 

[johnconner]

The Stig said:
It would bother me more if such insignificant details were followed. The crew of the Enterprise that everyone knows is the one that we'll see in the new movie. I'm amazed that Pike is playing a role at all, quite frankly.

Word.

 

[Basil]

There's no compelling reason to violate canon/continuity. On the other hand, unless this is a do-over, it should fit seamlessly into what we know.

 

[seigezunt]

Basil said:
There's no compelling reason to violate canon/continuity. On the other hand, unless this is a do-over, it should fit seamlessly into what we know.

Indeed. In TOS, there were constant ripples in continuity. Little things, I will put up with. It would actually have to be glaring (like, say, killing off Chekov) to really bug me.

 

[Dradin]

TeutonicNights said:


I remember in the german version, they had Dr.Piper actually say "I'm the replacement during Dr.McCoy's absence."

I remember that too! It was kind of thoughtful (something you couldn't say about the German dubbing in general, though ...)
However, it's a reasonable explanation for any so-called "continuity violation" of this kind. McCoy was simply on shore leave.

 

[Franklin]

Considering I think the OP is referring to a post I made on another thread, let me say here that I'd have no problem with retconning the second pilot. If this movie is about how this legendary crew came togehter, it would be pretty clunky to have to rationalize the crewmembers who were supposed to be the "regular" cast in WNMHGB.

Maybe they need to be treated like the Politburo in the USSR used to treat inconvenient parts of history, just act like they never existed.

 

[ktanner3]

I just think it was a very good point that I hadn't thought of. Because you know there are some purists that can't stand ANYTHING being changed. Remember the big deal that was made over Zephram Cochrane's change for First contact? Most fans had forgotten about that episode on TOS. I had never seen it and I'm a huge trek fan.I think the general base won't care too much if minor things like that have changed. Look at the James Bond series.Many purists were complaining about the actor's features and how this violated Fleming's intended view of Bond. Casino royale becomes a big hit, and all is forgiven.

 

[Richard1701]

If it is blatant and obvious violation of canon then I would be pretty peeved! But if it is some really small and insignificant thing that some over zealous fan has discovered then I wouldn't be too fussed!

 

[Warped9]

EyalM said:
If this is an alternate time line then there shouldn't be any continuity problems.

Alternate timeline or restart your point is on target.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

How much would a little violation of canon bother you?

Well, Shatner's appearance in Star Trek XI isn't going to bother me at all, so I guess not.

 

[PKTrekGirl]

Don't care about little things...like technical specs of a ship, for example. But do care about the characters being written in serious conflict with what we already know about them. And do care about 'history' being re-written.

 

[Captain Craig]

With all the Trek that has been produced "within the same continuity" hasn't there already been "a little violation" from time to time?
We nitpick it but we've all seen them in TNG,DS9,VOY & ENT before.
Little things don't bother me.
As I type this I think "little things" is all subjective. What is little to me may be a large glaring violation to another.

It seems this movie isn't going to be a reboot at all. Some tweaking perhaps but no more so than some episodes have been.
So far I'm optimistic, Shatner or not.

 

[davejames]

For me, it's enough that the film simply recognizes that there was a previous captain of the Enterprise before Kirk, and that Spock served with him.

All these other characters-- who only showed up for one episode and were never heard from again-- I'm not nearly as concerned with. And yes, that includes Gary Mitchell.

 

[theARE]

I think in 'The Menagerie' Kirk says he only met Pike once before.

It really wouldn't bother me if they ignored little details like that in the interest of telling a good story.

 

[Stone_Cold_Sisko]

I actually don't mind if they flat out ignore stuff from canon/continuity.

What I DO mind is stuff like:

The Enterprise meeting and battling the Ferengi, only for it to be "reconciled" with "well they never told us their name!".

That's just shitty, contrived, and lame wrapped up in a "learn how to write" sandwich.

This also goes for "We want to do stuff but are too cowardly to do it so we gotta actually spend plot time to make an alternate reality" type of stuff. Contrived.

It's all just so... stupid and pointless... I watch stuff like Rome, The Wire, this or that, books, movies, tv shows... and I wonder, why can't Trek be that good? They're always too busy dealing with fanboy bullshit. Its the same problem comic books have.

 

[StarMan]

Stone_Cold_Sisko said:
The Enterprise meeting and battling the Ferengi, only for it to be "reconciled" with "well they never told us their name!".

The Ferengi in Trek XI. God, what a hideous thought.

But I think we can expect more from Abrams and co than the subpar storytelling efforts of Trek in it's death throws.