How much of an adjustment will Emperor Georgiou have?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Lord Garth, Dec 19, 2018.

  1. Discofan

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    I can understand why they would classify Genesis, given it's a fiasco at creating living planets and is however a terrible weapon that could destroy said planets.

    However, those reasons don't apply to the Spore-Drive, classifying it seems as insane as cutting your own arm off for no reason. So saying they just classified it for no reason is tantamount to say that they all forgot about it for no reason. It doesn't explain anything.
     
  2. Tuskin38

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    They already showed in Season one that it could possibly destroy the universe.

    And Admiral Cornwell also said they're shutting down the project until they can find a non-biological pilot.
     
  3. Ar-Pharazon

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    "universe-ending paradoxes would occur"?

    If they want it erased from history, they would need to redact every reference to it, in addition to making sure everyone who knows about tit keep their mouths shut.

    I'd say Section 31 could make it all go away, but that would be a bloodbath, and in the end, they'd probably keep the tech for themselves anyway.

    Maybe the Temporal Police from the 29th century could help out. If it's so potentially dangerous, they could get rid of all "written" references, and possibly use an MiB Neuralyzer on the people, then get themselves really drunk so they'll forget.
     
  4. Discofan

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    Which would be true if anyone in any of the infinity of the universes used the Spore-Drive... It would be like trying to stop the pollution of Earth by forbidding one person to throw their trash anywhere and letting the other seven billion do whatever they want.

    That's contradictory. In order to find a non-biological pilot, they need to keep trying, therefore not forget about it. Just as you can't find a new cure for AIDS if you shut down all research on it.
     
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  5. Red Panda

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    Earth 2 Laurel is a million times better than Earth 1's.
     
  6. David cgc

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    Spinners. The spinny saucer is clearly a vital component to the spore drive, so Voyager couldn't retrofit one on even if they did find a supply of the appropriate fungus, and a tardigrade (which may not be possible, since only the one has yet turned up; maybe Ripper told all his buddies to stay out of any mysterious metal boxes full of subspace fungus since they were, apparently, traps).

    I can't believe I started with a stupid joke about oval/pointy saucer sections in the 24th century and ended up stumbling into a massive obstacle to recreating the spore drive. If they don't get another tardigrade, it's entirely possible that once Stamets dies and takes his modified DNA with him, the spore drive will once again because a curiosity that can barely jump a starship across its own length, or a less-practical transporter at best, pending several massive revolutions in computer science.
     
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  7. CorporalClegg

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    Not anymore.
     
  8. Spaceship Jo

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    Just want to give a shoutout to Genesis. It doesn't deserve that reputation, as we never saw it fully tested on a lifeless planet, just on a ship with goodness knows what material plus some mostly (but not entirely) dead people and the coalesced bits of a nebula. It might have worked perfectly if used correctly. Maybe. Chekov and company were checking for a suitable test site without any life not because they care about minor life forms (though that may be true as well), but because it would make the whole test unstable. David seems to blame the instability of the protomatter, which may be partially true, it wasn't supposed to be used with all those extra variables / wrong inputs.

    Still a terrible weapon though, yes indeed. Though not an insane level of terrible, as a sustained bombardment from a Starship could cause a similar level of destruction (though obviously not a similar level of weirdness).

    More on topic: I'm not a DSC apologist and have a great many issues with the writing, but I have no problem with the Spore Drive disappearing in some way / eventually even if it's a total asspull scenario. There are a million ways for it to make sense, and other than Stamets himself, everyone who was involved or witnessed any DiscoTech has limited enough knowledge for it to be forgotten in a generation quite plausibly. (Much more frustrating is the Universe Level Stakes with the spore drive use, and now again with the Red Angel business, which is just LCD plotting.)
     
  9. XCV330

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    But's not a complex. She IS superior
     
  10. Kor

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    Sounds like the words of a Trek character from the nineties.

    Kor
     
  11. Mr. Laser Beam

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    Hardly.

    MU Georgiou is a bloodthirsty savage, nothing more.
     
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  12. DaveyNY

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    Genesis only worked because David used Protomatter, which is a secret he took to his grave.
    Saavik was the only one he told and it is highly unlikely she told anybody, especially after saying...
    "Protomatter – an unstable substance which every ethical scientist in the galaxy has denounced as dangerously unpredictable."
     
  13. Discofan

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    The thing is, it DIDN'T work, the planet exploded!
     
  14. DaveyNY

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    Technically, it aged so rapidly that its core overheated and liquefied the planet.
    The effects shown didn't really indicate an explosion as much as they did a rather large bowl of orange jello bursting as it melted away.
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  15. Tuskin38

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    Yeah they only example we have of it failing, was when it used outside of the intended enviroment.

    It was designed to be used on an actual planet/moon, not in a nebula.
     
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    That's the main thing that irks me about STIII. They had a completely logical explanation as to why the planet was unstable, and instead the writers chose to throw David under the bus by having him look like an asshole for using a banned substance.

    And honestly, how DO we know that Genesis was a failure? For all we know, the protomatter would have worked just fine if the terraforming was done to a planet, not to a nebula.
     
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  17. DaveyNY

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    Technically, it did work.
    They managed to completely transform the inside of the regula moon where Khan trapped them.
    But it probably was a fluke since David admitted that he basically threw a monkey wrench at it to get it to do so.
     
  18. Dukhat

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    I wonder what happened to Regula then. Did it also become unstable? Because I thought that project was going on for some time, unlike the Genesis planet which exploded in only a matter of days after it was created.
     
  19. DaveyNY

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    Unfortunately, that is one string that the TOS movies left hanging.
     
  20. Timo

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    Quite probably, Regula was Genesis Planet. After all, the device was narrowly programmed to do its thing to a lifeless planet, with "not a byte" to spare for improvisation. It was detonated within a spitting distance from Regula. And while we saw no impact, we did see a fully spherical planetoid engulfed by the effect right off the bat.

    Genesis Planet was a midget as far as spherical planetoids go: David could basically touch the horizon in the sunset/sunrise scenes. Which, amusingly enough, involved the very same bit of the horizon, as if the planet wobbled uncontrollably instead of properly rotating! Speak of unstable. But the size would match Regula well enough.

    It is indeed worth noting that Genesis was only ever detonated once at full yield. Which was the incredible fluke? That the detonation failed - or that it initially succeeded? Might be you're down the Niagara River without a paddle if you try and detonate Genesis outside the Mutara Nebula.

    Timo Saloniemi