How much homage?

[Bones]

For the purposes of this thread, let's use this definition of homage: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homage_(arts)

I personally don't need to see a lot of this. In later Trek (ENT and Kelvin timeline) I think at times it's been abused to the point of pandering, for example the infamous Kirk death scene in Into Darkness. However sometimes it's been a useful part of the plot, for instance ENT's In A Mirror, Darkly and the USS Franklin in Beyond.

My point being, I'd like Discovery to be recognizable as Star Trek. I want to see Star Fleet, Starships, Division-associated colors, themes such as an optimistic view of the future, etc. But I'd like the writers to avoid retreads of scenes and plotlines, throwaway references to other Trek, and other tired "homage".

What do people think about this?

 

[The Wormhole]

As much as is suitable.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I'd like Discovery to be recognizable as Star Trek. I want to see Star Fleet, Starships, Division-associated colors, themes such as an optimistic view of the future, etc.

Me too.

That said, I wouldn't mind seeing a couple homages:

- The inevitable ENT cameo in the pilot episode (most likely T'Pol)

- The Farragut disaster

 

[Tesophius]

Minimal homage. I want it to be as bold as TOS was, upgraded to reflect current progress made in the last 50 years (which other Trek's have done almost none of) to actual show the future and not a re-stylized 1964 vision of the vision.

But I'm 99.9% sure it won't happen. Shows these days don't take any risks.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Nothing wrong with taking a few risks. Just as long as they don't spend the whole series doing nothing BUT that.

As @Bones said, DSC should still be recognizable as Star Trek.

 

[dahj]

They should do an episode called Homage a Troi that's a homage to the episode Menage a Troi.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Good thing we're not talking about how much cheese they should serve in the mess hall, then it'd be:

How much fromage?

 

[KirkusOveractus]

I would like to see the homages (is that the correct plural?) take the form of things or places that we saw in ENT or will see in TOS. More in the form of evolutionary in working toward TOS.

To me, that would serve the plot and series better than forcing a young TOS character cameo or an older version of an ENT character. If it works for a point in the story, it will be enjoyable.

 

[psCargile]

Every homage should be accompanied by a wink at the camera, followed by a short laugh track.

 

[Tenacity]

A shot of the main view screen as seen from the captain's chair, with the helmsman in the shot.

The helmsman slowly looks back over his right shoulder at the camera,
the look on his face says "are you seeing this shit?"

followed by a short laugh track

Every single line of dialog should be immediately followed by canned laughter.

 

[Bones]

A shot of the main view screen as seen from the captain's chair, with the helmsman in the shot.

The helmsman slowly looks back over his right shoulder at the camera,
the look on his face says "are you seeing this shit?"

And the next shot shows a completely different navigator...

 

[Bones]

<snip>The Farragut disaster

I wouldn't mind seeing the Farragut story told in DSC, however it would take some good writing to avoid the story getting all bound up around Kirk.

 

[Kemaiku]

Background references and nods only, let everything else be new or different.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Maybe is they do the episodes in a Pop-Up Video style or have a news type crawl at the bottom, mentioning the homages and where they came from.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I wouldn't mind seeing the Farragut story told in DSC, however it would take some good writing to avoid the story getting all bound up around Kirk.

They don't even have to SHOW Kirk. Have him call down a damage report from the bridge or something, but Kirk doesn't have to appear.

Oh who am I kidding. You know he will.

 

[psCargile]

I hope they stop paying homage to the Nazis. Watching Voyager's "The Killing Game" and asking "Why? Why? Oh God why must we revisit the Nazis?" And they did it in "Enterprise." What's the fascination? The uniforms? Did they do it TNG and DS9?

 

[Tenacity]

Oh God why must we revisit the Nazis?"

Because of the profound and disproportionate effect they had on Human history?

If you watch American politics, seem every other day that someone is calling another a Nazi.

 

[Lance]

It depends on the level of homage.

When it comes down to stories that rehash elements, or even worse ones that take an off-hand line of dialogue from a show made 50 years ago and weaves a plot around this obscure piece of continuity, I'm less convinced. For the former see something like "The Naked Now"; for the latter, see much of Enterprise's last season. I'd rather see fresh ideas and a new approach.

But if it's like design aesthetics that carry over, like the 'blinkies' under the viewscreen, that kind of little nuance that blows a kiss to the past without being *too* obtrusive, I can get behind that.

 

[StarMan]

I just want it to "boldly go" and do it's own thing. Happily go without any homages.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Homages are fine. It's how art works.