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How Many TOS Constitution Class Ships *Can* There Be?

Sure it matters how the Klingons see a ship that can devastate the surface of a planet.
Or a single DEVICE that can do the same, which they refer to as a "doomsday weapon" and mistakenly believe it was developed by Starfleet under Admiral Kirk's direct supervision (and allude to the destruction of Reliant as a "test detonation").

There's a lot of propaganda floating around, but I think you're confused as to which side it's coming from.
 
Or a single DEVICE that can do the same, which they refer to as a "doomsday weapon" and mistakenly believe it was developed by Starfleet under Admiral Kirk's direct supervision (and allude to the destruction of Reliant as a "test detonation").

Though this does bring up an interesting question: what was Kirk's involvement with Genesis? Kirk seems to have intimate knowledge of the work, and he makes a tape for the Federation council about it.

The Klingons likely weren't wrong about Kirk's involvement at some point in the project.
 
Though this does bring up an interesting question: what was Kirk's involvement with Genesis?
His ex girlfriend and his son developed it and a guy who hates his guts tried to steal it. He had to give a detailed description about what Genesis was when he gave Starfleet his report about what happened to Reliant and Regula-1 and why there was suddenly a brand new planet in the Regula system. Kruge was only interested in the parts related to Genesis and pretty much ignored the entire rest of the report because reasons.

The Klingons likely weren't wrong about Kirk's involvement at some point in the project.
We saw firsthand his involvement with the project. And yes, the Klingons were completely wrong about it.
 
That happens when the question has no real answer. People can only argue over "twelve like it" so many times and that is the only canon indicator of the number of Connie's.

I've managed to get blood from this stone, and I point to my previous posts as the examples. You have to work in terms of canon, Star Trek logic, extrapolation based on those, and supposition, and turn a few grains of sand into the beach.
 
Though this does bring up an interesting question: what was Kirk's involvement with Genesis? Kirk seems to have intimate knowledge of the work, and he makes a tape for the Federation council about it.

Kirk didn't make a tape about it. If I remember correctly, he just repeated word for word what Carol Marcus said in the tape SHE made.
 
I've managed to get blood from this stone, and I point to my previous posts as the examples. You have to work in terms of canon, Star Trek logic, extrapolation based on those, and supposition, and turn a few grains of sand into the beach.
Well, you managed to narrow it down if nothing else. There are AT LEAST 12 ships, possibly 13 or 14 depending on how we interpret Kirk's line, and potentially many more that are Constitutions with a significantly different build that Kirk doesn't consider them to be all that much like the Enterprise.
 
How Many TOS Constitution Class Ships *Can* There Be?

If we take into account, canon, official and production sources then by 2268 these are the Constitution-class Starships:

• USS Constitution
• USS Enterprise (NCC-1701)
• USS Constellation (NCC-1017)
• USS Defiant (NCC-1764)
• USS Excalibur (NCC-1664)
• USS Exeter (NCC-1672)
• USS Farragut
• USS Hood (NCC-1703)
• USS Intrepid (NCC-1631)
• USS Kongo
• USS Lexington (NCC-1709)
• USS Potemkin (NCC-1657)
• USS Republic
• USS Valiant
• USS Yorktown
 
That's your prerogative but also your prejudice and detriment and not ours.

Point being, JJTrek is an alternate timeline, and has no bearing on established TOS continuity. Plus being produced by someone who didn't know Trek, didn't even like Trek, it shouldn't be looked to as a reference for... well, anything.
 
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If we take into account, canon, official and production sources then by 2268 these are the Constitution-class Starships:

• USS Constitution
• USS Enterprise (NCC-1701)
• USS Constellation (NCC-1017)
• USS Defiant (NCC-1764)
• USS Excalibur (NCC-1664)
• USS Exeter (NCC-1672)
• USS Farragut
• USS Hood (NCC-1703)
• USS Intrepid (NCC-1631)
• USS Kongo
• USS Lexington (NCC-1709)
• USS Potemkin (NCC-1657)
• USS Republic
• USS Valiant
• USS Yorktown

The Defiant was not on the production list of 14 ships. Which could indicate it was launched after "Tomorrow is Yesterday". Or, perhaps that it replaced the Valiant.
 
Point being, JJTrek is an alternate timeline, and has no bearing on established TOS continuity. Plus being produced by someone who didn't know Trek, didn't even like Trek, it shouldn't be looked to as a reference for... well, anything.
Except for USS Kelvin, which according to TPTB would have been part of the Prime timeline regardless of the split.
 
Plus being produced by someone who didn't know Trek, didn't even like Trek, it shouldn't be looked to as a reference for... well, anything.

I find this notion ridiculous as it also excludes everything produced by Harve Bennett. (i.e. The Wrath of Khan, The Search for Spock, The Voyage Home, The Final Frontier.)
 
Well the thing is, we may find out more when Star Trek: Discovery comes out. Since that is roughly the same time period.
 
Originally there were to be 12. Later on...it was decided that 12 would not be able to do what Starfleet was chartered to do, plus the additional threats that were slowly coming to the Federation. Add to it, ships destroyed and needing replaced.
New materials discovered to make the ships stronger n faster.
 
Originally there were to be 12. Later on...it was decided that 12 would not be able to do what Starfleet was chartered to do, plus the additional threats that were slowly coming to the Federation. Add to it, ships destroyed and needing replaced.
New materials discovered to make the ships stronger n faster.
Well, that would be the "Enterprise" subclass that the original ship was converted too. Assuming the other Constitutions weren't also converted, NEW builds to the class would have been constructed in the new configuration.
 
Though this does bring up an interesting question: what was Kirk's involvement with Genesis? Kirk seems to have intimate knowledge of the work, and he makes a tape for the Federation council about it.

The Klingons likely weren't wrong about Kirk's involvement at some point in the project.

Kirk as an Admiral probably knew of the project, and had no likely seen Marcus's presentation, as it appears that he is familiar with Genesis and he's using the presentation simply to read Spock and McCoy into it. He was able to guess that they'd moved onto Stage Two following approval from the Federation Council, but I seriously doubt he had much actual input or full knowledge of Genesis itself.
 
One must remember that the USS Enterprise during Kirk's five year mission, was already an old ship. We know this at the very least by witnessing an adventure of the ship under the command of Captain Pike over a decade prior to Kirk being show it. The Klingons consider her old as well and use that to taunt Mr. Scott.

If we go by the older assumed commissioning year of 2245, than the USS Enterprise is pretty much 25 years old when Kirk brings her back in from his five year mission after the end of TOS and probably TAS. She than gets a major refit (more like a reconstruction really) and goes back into service after the V'Ger Incident until her destruction over a decade later. At roughly 40 years old Starfleet seems to wish to retire the old starship, we assume because they want to use her name on a new Excelsior-class starships in the near future.

After her destruction, Kirk is granted another starship of the same class named USS Enterprise, but it is still debated on if she is a new ship or a renamed older ship, as there is evidence to support both claims, and the oddity of her supposed retirement after less than a decade of service.

We are unsure just how old the class really is as we don't know for sure when USS Constitution was built, nor if it is even the class ship, or just the subclass ship that the rest later were generally called by in the following decades. Starship-class being weird, but would fit a British mind set.
 
If you repurpose the words to mean there were 12-13 original production run Constitution class ships, which Kirk takes pride in the Enterprise being one of them, it opens the world up a fair bit. However, I cannot go in for the tendency to take that and run with it as a 100 plus Constitution class ships. I also cannot go in for the subclass idea. It exists no where but Franz Joseph and FASA. There could be later production runs, but I discount the idea that they were considered different because of being a subclass. There was clearly a show production view that even if there were more than 12, there were only so much more and it is not a blank check.
 
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